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RE: Fish must be very holy
March 22, 2015 at 5:51 pm
(March 22, 2015 at 5:08 pm)Drich Wrote: So it is your expert opinion, increasing the world's circumference by 5 miles in basically all direction would have absolutly no Impact on the earth's gravity? Unless the water came from outer space, absolutely no effect.
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RE: Fish must be very holy
March 22, 2015 at 5:57 pm
(March 22, 2015 at 5:51 pm)IATIA Wrote: (March 22, 2015 at 5:08 pm)Drich Wrote: So it is your expert opinion, increasing the world's circumference by 5 miles in basically all direction would have absolutly no Impact on the earth's gravity? Unless the water came from outer space, absolutely no effect.
He's right, Drich. Gravity is a function of mass. The water of the flood came from the earth - it would have exactly the same mass whether in was in liquid or gaseous or solid form. Since the mass of the planet doesn't change, the overall gravitational attraction to another body (in this case, the atmosphere) doesn't change.
In fact, this scenario is even worse for your argument than you probably imagine.
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RE: Fish must be very holy
March 22, 2015 at 6:03 pm
(March 22, 2015 at 5:51 pm)IATIA Wrote: (March 22, 2015 at 5:08 pm)Drich Wrote: So it is your expert opinion, increasing the world's circumference by 5 miles in basically all direction would have absolutly no Impact on the earth's gravity? Unless the water came from outer space, absolutely no effect. Gene 7:12
"The sky opened and water poured down on the earth for 40 days and nights.. The whole earth..." This sound like conventional spring shower to you?
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RE: Fish must be very holy
March 22, 2015 at 6:04 pm
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Even if you take the water from outer space the gravity on the new, 5 mile higher surface would be less than 0.01% larger than before.
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RE: Fish must be very holy
March 22, 2015 at 6:05 pm
(March 22, 2015 at 5:57 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (March 22, 2015 at 5:51 pm)IATIA Wrote: Unless the water came from outer space, absolutely no effect.
He's right, Drich. Gravity is a function of mass. The water of the flood came from the earth - it would have exactly the same mass whether in was in liquid or gaseous or solid form. Since the mass of the planet doesn't change, the overall gravitational attraction to another body (in this case, the atmosphere) doesn't change.
In fact, this scenario is even worse for your argument than you probably imagine.
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RE: Fish must be very holy
March 22, 2015 at 6:09 pm
It said the fountains of the deep were opened, so you have source # 2.
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RE: Fish must be very holy
March 22, 2015 at 6:14 pm
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(March 22, 2015 at 4:16 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: It wouldn't matter, drich. Atmospheric pressure (from your link) is defined as the weight of air from sea level to the top of the atmosphere. As water level increases, the atmosphere doesn't get taller. If sea level were to be re-established at the top of Mt Everest, you'd be five miles closer to the top of the atmosphere, so the pressure would be correspondingly less - you don't get five more miles of atmosphere to compensate.
Your earlier point about the definition of 'har' fails as well, since the verse in Genesis includes all mountains 'under the heavens', not just the ones the myth-makers knew about.
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Sorry, no. While drich is not quite right, you are quite wrong.
Five miles of water would not appreciably change the sea level air pressure. And, yes, the top of the atmosphere would move up.
(March 22, 2015 at 4:51 pm)IATIA Wrote: (March 22, 2015 at 4:39 pm)Drich Wrote: If you do not think this is th case and account for the displaced air. Where does it go? The pressure would push the air further into the upper atmosphere where the gravity would not be sufficient to hold it back at those pressures and allow the air to dissipate into space. The air would not get denser, it would still be subject to gravity and when the waters receded ... oops, where is all our air we had? It will not come back.
No, the entire atmosphere moves. There wouldn't be any appreciable change or loss.
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RE: Fish must be very holy
March 22, 2015 at 6:19 pm
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(March 22, 2015 at 6:14 pm)Chas Wrote: Sorry, no. While drich is not quite right, you are quite wrong.
Five miles of water would not appreciably change the sea level air pressure. And, yes, the top of the atmosphere would move up.
That equals true, reduced gravity is an almost negligible factor in the lowered air pressure at high altitudes, it is first and foremost because there's less atmosphere above pushing down. The situation would indeed not change noticeably if we pushed everything up by a few miles.
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RE: Fish must be very holy
March 22, 2015 at 6:59 pm
(March 22, 2015 at 6:14 pm)Chas Wrote: (March 22, 2015 at 4:16 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: It wouldn't matter, drich. Atmospheric pressure (from your link) is defined as the weight of air from sea level to the top of the atmosphere. As water level increases, the atmosphere doesn't get taller. If sea level were to be re-established at the top of Mt Everest, you'd be five miles closer to the top of the atmosphere, so the pressure would be correspondingly less - you don't get five more miles of atmosphere to compensate.
Your earlier point about the definition of 'har' fails as well, since the verse in Genesis includes all mountains 'under the heavens', not just the ones the myth-makers knew about.
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Sorry, no. While drich is not quite right, you are quite wrong.
Five miles of water would not appreciably change the sea level air pressure. And, yes, the top of the atmosphere would move up.
(March 22, 2015 at 4:51 pm)IATIA Wrote: The pressure would push the air further into the upper atmosphere where the gravity would not be sufficient to hold it back at those pressures and allow the air to dissipate into space. The air would not get denser, it would still be subject to gravity and when the waters receded ... oops, where is all our air we had? It will not come back.
No, the entire atmosphere moves. There wouldn't be any appreciable change or loss.
I accept and appreciate the correction.
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RE: Fish must be very holy
March 22, 2015 at 11:39 pm
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(March 22, 2015 at 6:14 pm)Chas Wrote: (March 22, 2015 at 4:16 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: It wouldn't matter, drich. Atmospheric pressure (from your link) is defined as the weight of air from sea level to the top of the atmosphere. As water level increases, the atmosphere doesn't get taller. If sea level were to be re-established at the top of Mt Everest, you'd be five miles closer to the top of the atmosphere, so the pressure would be correspondingly less - you don't get five more miles of atmosphere to compensate.
Your earlier point about the definition of 'har' fails as well, since the verse in Genesis includes all mountains 'under the heavens', not just the ones the myth-makers knew about.
Boru
Sorry, no. While drich is not quite right, you are quite wrong.
Five miles of water would not appreciably change the sea level air pressure. And, yes, the top of the atmosphere would move up.
(March 22, 2015 at 4:51 pm)IATIA Wrote: The pressure would push the air further into the upper atmosphere where the gravity would not be sufficient to hold it back at those pressures and allow the air to dissipate into space. The air would not get denser, it would still be subject to gravity and when the waters receded ... oops, where is all our air we had? It will not come back.
No, the entire atmosphere moves. There wouldn't be any appreciable change or loss.
What?!? 
(March 22, 2015 at 6:59 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (March 22, 2015 at 6:14 pm)Chas Wrote: Sorry, no. While drich is not quite right, you are quite wrong.
Five miles of water would not appreciably change the sea level air pressure. And, yes, the top of the atmosphere would move up.
No, the entire atmosphere moves. There wouldn't be any appreciable change or loss.
I accept and appreciate the correction.
Boru
What what!?!
(March 22, 2015 at 6:19 pm)Alex K Wrote: (March 22, 2015 at 6:14 pm)Chas Wrote: Sorry, no. While drich is not quite right, you are quite wrong.
Five miles of water would not appreciably change the sea level air pressure. And, yes, the top of the atmosphere would move up.
That equals true, reduced gravity is an almost negligible factor in the lowered air pressure at high altitudes, it is first and foremost because there's less atmosphere above pushing down. The situation would indeed not change noticeably if we pushed everything up by a few miles.
Ah.... Normalcy again. Whew I thought I was loosing my mind... I thought I saw two atheist yield to scientific fact for a moment there. So tell me some more of what you think so when I throw down my trump cards/links to support my position, you will look as foolish as possible.
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