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FatAndFaithless · April 2, 2015 at 8:40 am

Claims of experiencing something =/= evidence of the existence of that something.

Brian37 · April 2, 2015 at 9:16 am

Ideas of heaven and hell are merely reflections of human ignorance. They reflect our species desire to have safety(good), and protection from threats(evil).

Unfortunately this childish morality is what leads to religious violence and tribalism and death.

dyresand · April 2, 2015 at 10:07 am

(April 2, 2015 at 9:16 am)Brian37 Wrote: Ideas of heaven and hell are merely reflections of human ignorance. They reflect our species desire to have safety(good), and protection from threats(evil).

Unfortunately this childish morality is what leads to religious violence and tribalism and death.

And the sad part is the real ignorant ones are the ones who are using religion to justify there violence and racism etc.

**Iroscato** · April 5, 2015 at 4:11 pm

(April 2, 2015 at 8:38 am)Mezmo! Wrote:
(April 1, 2015 at 1:08 am)robvalue Wrote: It's pure fantasy, with absolutely no relation to anything real anyone has ever experienced...That is the difference between science and religion: science makes testable, falsifiable claims.

Firstly an afterlife has been experienced by real people during NDE's. Repeated studies by respectable researchers like Van Lommel, have clearly demonstrated that NDE's are what they appear to be. Secondly, Swedenborg was a real person who experienced both Heaven and Hell for extended periods of time and gave first hand reports of the things he saw and heard.

So a few people's recounted experiences during times of severe oxygen deprivation mean we have to rewrite everything we know about physics and the nature of reality in general?
Mm, nah. Fortunately, we know how damn good the human brain is at seeing and experiencing what it wants to see and experience. This is why things like the placebo effect exists.
If there is a God, an afterlife, any sort of supernatural shephard of the universe in any way shape or form, then they should really stop being so damn shy and reveal themselves to us, instead of dropping very vague, insubstantial breadcrumbs to those whose brains stop working for a bit.

dyresand · April 5, 2015 at 5:05 pm

(April 5, 2015 at 4:11 pm)Iroscato Wrote:
(April 2, 2015 at 8:38 am)Mezmo! Wrote: Firstly an afterlife has been experienced by real people during NDE's. Repeated studies by respectable researchers like Van Lommel, have clearly demonstrated that NDE's are what they appear to be. Secondly, Swedenborg was a real person who experienced both Heaven and Hell for extended periods of time and gave first hand reports of the things he saw and heard.

So a few people's recounted experiences during times of severe oxygen deprivation mean we have to rewrite everything we know about physics and the nature of reality in general?
Mm, nah. Fortunately, we know how damn good the human brain is at seeing and experiencing what it wants to see and experience. This is why things like the placebo effect exists.
If there is a God, an afterlife, any sort of supernatural shephard of the universe in any way shape or form, then they should really stop being so damn shy and reveal themselves to us, instead of dropping very vague, insubstantial breadcrumbs to those whose brains stop working for a bit.

Welcome to the forums please do introduce yourself. Big Grin

**Iroscato** · April 5, 2015 at 5:11 pm

(April 5, 2015 at 5:05 pm)dyresand Wrote:
(April 5, 2015 at 4:11 pm)Iroscato Wrote: So a few people's recounted experiences during times of severe oxygen deprivation mean we have to rewrite everything we know about physics and the nature of reality in general?
Mm, nah. Fortunately, we know how damn good the human brain is at seeing and experiencing what it wants to see and experience. This is why things like the placebo effect exists.
If there is a God, an afterlife, any sort of supernatural shephard of the universe in any way shape or form, then they should really stop being so damn shy and reveal themselves to us, instead of dropping very vague, insubstantial breadcrumbs to those whose brains stop working for a bit.

Welcome to the forums please do introduce yourself.

I am Iroscato, my good man/woman. That much is obvious I suppose ^_^
You can call me Iro for short. I have an introduction thread, everyone's made me feel all welcome and fuzzy so far Wink

dyresand · (This post was last modified: April 5, 2015 at 5:14 pm by dyresand.)

(April 5, 2015 at 5:11 pm)Iroscato Wrote:
(April 5, 2015 at 5:05 pm)dyresand Wrote: Welcome to the forums please do introduce yourself.
I am Iroscato, my good man/woman. That much is obvious I suppose ^_^
You can call me Iro for short. I have an introduction thread, everyone's made me feel all welcome and fuzzy so far

Okay

ill go check it out.

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