'Pulling the rug' from under the feet of "peacecful believers"?

[Mystic]

How do you know the true interpretation of the Quran when you don't even believe in it? How do you know so much that you go telling people who believe in the Quran that their interpretation is wrong and the minority of terrorists have the right interpretation?

You act as if that matters, M/K.  It doesn't.  Your koran is so crystal clear that there are a myriad of sects each at each others throats because of it.  It provides cover for barbarism in the case of ISIS.  And it isn't too much of a stretch to see the same in Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, Pakistan,Yemen, Somalia, Libya, Syria....ad nauseam.

The problem is not the Quran but that there are dark forces that want to prevent people from following the Quran properly. That is why the last two Surahs of Quran is reminding them of these forces from human and Jinn and to seek refuge in God from them.   If people wake up to the attacks on their hearts and try to get rid of the recitations from Satan, then everything becomes easy and the book opens up and becomes a source of guidance. 

[Minimalist]

You refuse to face reality.  It doesn't matter if it is the koran or 3 Little Pigs.  Some clown stands  up and says "Our book says for you to do this" and they run off an do it.

The list of crimes committed in the name of the bible is legendary and, as I am sure you know, muslims have been on the business end of them quite a few times.  Religious nonsense is always written poorly enough so that any charlatan can make it say whatever they need it to say at that moment and there is always some bunch of sheep who will fall for his line of shit.

The problem is religion, in all its forms.  Mankind would be better off without any of it.  Then we could kill each other for better reasons!

[Mudhammam]

@Mystic
Go to quran.com and read the same verses there. The message of Islam is clear. And what  was the treaty that "unbelievers" broke and that made then deserving of death? The one that says pay a tax, convert, or die? You can read the Qur'an however you please. You've been brought up with the influence of secular values so that's how you are inclined to read it---very generously. Some (including your fellow Muslims) would say incorrectly. A shockingly large number, perhaps even a majority, of Muslims both today and throughout the history of Islam share bigoted views towards gays, apostates, unbelievers, and women, which they codified in text, and it would seem to suggest that how you wish the Qur'an to read is not how it in fact does. 

[Dystopia]

Mystic, could you answer my question please?

A few days ago I entered an Islamic board on the internet (basically similar to AF but for Muslims) and I was surprised with some positive aspects like an article saying how to teach your kids to not become terrorists - But I also dared to read the page about conversion and within the requirements was that I must accept the Quran as the literal word of god.

http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/204/

The first part, “There is no true deity but God,” means that none has the right to be worshipped but God alone, and that God has neither partner nor son. The second part means that Muhammad was a true Prophet sent by God to humankind.

To be a Muslim, one should also:

- Believe that the Holy Quran is the literal word of God, revealed by Him.

- Believe that the Judgment Day (Resurrection Day) is true and will come.

- Believe in the prophets that God sent and the books He revealed, and in His angels.

- Accept Islam as his/her religion.

- Not worship anything nor anyone except God.

This seems like a moderate website

[Mystic]

@Mystic
Go to quran.com and read the same verses there. The message of Islam is clear.

How was verse 4:89 clear by itself when the next verse is vital to understand it?

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Religious nonsense is always written poorly enough so that any charlatan can make it say whatever they need it to say at that moment and there is always some bunch of sheep who will fall for his line of shit.

How is the following not clear:

وَإِنْ جَنَحُوا لِلسَّلْمِ فَاجْنَحْ لَهَا وَتَوَكَّلْ عَلَى اللَّهِ ۚ إِنَّهُ هُوَ السَّمِيعُ الْعَلِيمُ {61}[Shakir 8:61] And if they incline to peace, then incline to it and trust in Allah; surely He is the Hearing, the Knowing.

 

لَا يَنْهَاكُمُ اللَّهُ عَنِ الَّذِينَ لَمْ يُقَاتِلُوكُمْ فِي الدِّينِ وَلَمْ يُخْرِجُوكُمْ مِنْ دِيَارِكُمْ أَنْ تَبَرُّوهُمْ وَتُقْسِطُوا إِلَيْهِمْ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ يُحِبُّ الْمُقْسِطِينَ {8}[Shakir 60:8] Allah does not forbid you respecting those who have not made war against you on account of (your) religion, and have not driven you forth from your homes, that you show them kindness and deal with them justly; surely Allah loves the doers of justice.إِنَّمَا يَنْهَاكُمُ اللَّهُ عَنِ الَّذِينَ قَاتَلُوكُمْ فِي الدِّينِ وَأَخْرَجُوكُمْ مِنْ دِيَارِكُمْ وَظَاهَرُوا عَلَىٰ إِخْرَاجِكُمْ أَنْ تَوَلَّوْهُمْ ۚ وَمَنْ يَتَوَلَّهُمْ فَأُولَٰئِكَ هُمُ الظَّالِمُونَ {9}[Shakir 60:9] Allah only forbids you respecting those who made war upon you on account of (your) religion, and drove you forth from your homes and backed up (others) in your expulsion, that you make friends with them, and whoever makes friends with them, these are the unjust.

 

مِنْ أَجْلِ ذَٰلِكَ كَتَبْنَا عَلَىٰ بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ أَنَّهُ مَنْ قَتَلَ نَفْسًا بِغَيْرِ نَفْسٍ أَوْ فَسَادٍ فِي الْأَرْضِ فَكَأَنَّمَا قَتَلَ النَّاسَ جَمِيعًا وَمَنْ أَحْيَاهَا فَكَأَنَّمَا أَحْيَا النَّاسَ جَمِيعًا ۚ وَلَقَدْ جَاءَتْهُمْ رُسُلُنَا بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ ثُمَّ إِنَّ كَثِيرًا مِنْهُمْ بَعْدَ ذَٰلِكَ فِي الْأَرْضِ لَمُسْرِفُونَ {32}[Shakir 5:32] For this reason did We prescribe to the children of Israel that whoever slays a soul, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he slew all men; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as though he kept alive all men; and certainly Our messengers came to them with clear arguments, but even after that many of them certainly act extravagantly in the land.

 
 

إِلَّا الَّذِينَ يَصِلُونَ إِلَىٰ قَوْمٍ بَيْنَكُمْ وَبَيْنَهُمْ مِيثَاقٌ أَوْ جَاءُوكُمْ حَصِرَتْ صُدُورُهُمْ أَنْ يُقَاتِلُوكُمْ أَوْ يُقَاتِلُوا قَوْمَهُمْ ۚ وَلَوْ شَاءَ اللَّهُ لَسَلَّطَهُمْ عَلَيْكُمْ فَلَقَاتَلُوكُمْ ۚ فَإِنِ اعْتَزَلُوكُمْ فَلَمْ يُقَاتِلُوكُمْ وَأَلْقَوْا إِلَيْكُمُ السَّلَمَ فَمَا جَعَلَ اللَّهُ لَكُمْ عَلَيْهِمْ سَبِيلًا {90}[Shakir 4:90] Except those who reach a people between whom and you there is an alliance, or who come to you, their hearts shrinking from fighting you or fighting their own people; and if Allah had pleased, He would have given them power over you, so that they should have certainly fought you; therefore if they withdraw from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not given you a way against them.

 

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِذَا ضَرَبْتُمْ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ فَتَبَيَّنُوا وَلَا تَقُولُوا لِمَنْ أَلْقَىٰ إِلَيْكُمُ السَّلَامَ لَسْتَ مُؤْمِنًا تَبْتَغُونَ عَرَضَ الْحَيَاةِ الدُّنْيَا فَعِنْدَ اللَّهِ مَغَانِمُ كَثِيرَةٌ ۚ كَذَٰلِكَ كُنْتُمْ مِنْ قَبْلُ فَمَنَّ اللَّهُ عَلَيْكُمْ فَتَبَيَّنُوا ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ بِمَا تَعْمَلُونَ خَبِيرًا {94}[Shakir 4:94] O you who believe! when you go to war in Allah's way, make investigation, and do not say to any one who offers you peace: You are not a believer. Do you seek goods of this world's life! But with Allah there are abundant gains; you too were such before, then Allah conferred a benefit on you; therefore make investigation; surely Allah is aware of what you do.

 
 
 
وَعِبَادُ الرَّحْمَٰنِ الَّذِينَ يَمْشُونَ عَلَى الْأَرْضِ هَوْنًا وَإِذَا خَاطَبَهُمُ الْجَاهِلُونَ قَالُوا سَلَامًا {63}[Shakir 25:63] And the servants of the Beneficent Allah are they who walk on the earth in humbleness, and when the ignorant address them, they say: Peace.

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 But I also dared to read the page about conversion and within the requirements was that I must accept the Quran as the literal word of god.

I don't think that means you have to take it literally but that is God's words and not words of Angels or humans.

[Minimalist]

How is the following not clear:

Ask ISIS, not me.  I think all religion is shit.

[ReptilianPeon]

Given that there are these arguments over interpretation so why doesn't Allah send another angel down to tell us how we should be interpreting the Quran? A full commentary on the Quran by Allah would be very much appreciated. It would stop the wars between the different religious groups and mean humanity has an objective, rather than a subjective interpretation of the Quran. At the moment, Allah has left us with a book but not told us what it really means.

If Allah does send down such an angel then I will immediately recite the Shahada, because up until now I've see no evidence to suggest angels exist. If Allah can create a Quran in English so we no longer have to learn Arabic, lest we be accused to supporting the Imperialist Zionist Agenda, that would be great too. Maybe I'm asking for too much when I say I want Allah to give me some new reading material but I think it's a reasonable request. So, Allah, if you're reading this, which I'm sure you are because you know everything: Can I have your (objective) Tafisr for the Quran and an English Quran, please?

[Mystic]

How is the following not clear:

Ask ISIS, not me.  I think all religion is shit.

ISIS has been addressed in the beginning of the book:

وَمِنَ النَّاسِ مَنْ يَقُولُ آمَنَّا بِاللَّهِ وَبِالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ وَمَا هُمْ بِمُؤْمِنِينَ {8}

[Shakir 2:8] And there are some people who say: We believe in Allah and the last day; and they are not at all believers.

يُخَادِعُونَ اللَّهَ وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَمَا يَخْدَعُونَ إِلَّا أَنْفُسَهُمْ وَمَا يَشْعُرُونَ {9}

[Shakir 2:9] They desire to deceive Allah and those who believe, and they deceive only themselves and they do not perceive.

فِي قُلُوبِهِمْ مَرَضٌ فَزَادَهُمُ اللَّهُ مَرَضًا ۖ وَلَهُمْ عَذَابٌ أَلِيمٌ بِمَا كَانُوا يَكْذِبُونَ {10}
[Shakir 2:10] There is a disease in their hearts, so Allah added to their disease and they shall have a painful chastisement because they lied. 

وَإِذَا قِيلَ لَهُمْ لَا تُفْسِدُوا فِي الْأَرْضِ قَالُوا إِنَّمَا نَحْنُ مُصْلِحُونَ {11}
[Shakir 2:11] And when it is said to them, Do not make mischief in the land, they say: We are but peace-makers.

أَلَا إِنَّهُمْ هُمُ الْمُفْسِدُونَ وَلَٰكِنْ لَا يَشْعُرُونَ {12}
[Shakir 2:12] Now surely they themselves are the mischief makers, but they do not perceive.

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Given that there are these arguments over interpretation so why doesn't Allah send another angel down to tell us how we should be interpreting the Quran? A full commentary on the Quran by Allah would be very much appreciated. It would stop the wars between the different religious groups and mean humanity has an objective, rather than a subjective interpretation of the Quran. At the moment, Allah has left us with a book but not told us what it really means.

If Allah does send down such an angel then I will immediately recite the Shahada, because up until now I've see no evidence to suggest angels exist. If Allah can create a Quran in English so we no longer have to learn Arabic, lest we be accused to supporting the Imperialist Zionist Agenda, that would be great too. Maybe I'm asking for too much when I say I want Allah to give me some new reading material but I think it's a reasonable request. So, Allah, if you're reading this, which I'm sure you are because you know everything: Can I have your (objective) Tafisr for the Quran and an English Quran, please?

Imam Ali collected a full divine commentary of Quran from God and his Messenger, and presented to the first Caliph but he rejected it. The people didn't want the true interpretation but to abuse the Quran for their purposes. 

The family of Mohammad had the true interpretation. Imam Mahdi will bring this Quran full of commentary from God and his Messenger, and it will open the majestic wonders of the Quran to the people. Then there will be no room for twisting and turning away from it's bright signs and using it for evil purposes.

[Mudhammam]

Well shit, if the family of Mohammad had the correct interpretation, I think we can all be grateful that by the grace of Allah they were able to pass it along to Mystic Knight the blessed deliverer.

[robvalue]

Pass me the God-rod for just 5 seconds and I'll sort out all this confusion. I wouldn't sit there jerking off to people killing each other over my garbled message.