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RE: If God sent your child to Hell.
April 28, 2015 at 7:03 pm
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(April 23, 2015 at 10:57 am)dyresand Wrote: (April 19, 2015 at 2:08 pm)Polaris Wrote: I am not quite as delusional as you are...
The point was you said you don't tolerate certain characteristics yet you also are one of the members who most displays the traits you same to not tolerate. I said it before ill say it again do not call anyone delusional until you take a good hard look at your self and your beliefs.
Also stop just please stop causing problems. Just stop being a asshole to everyone please thanks.
You bolster a side with magic, you need to prove magic you also need to prove a god exists the burden is on you.
Where as atheists bolster a side with proven fact and well documented and researched theory that are proven to be true.
You guys rarely come with facts or the "facts" (slightly better than Ancient Aliens) you do come up with would be laughed at in any academic setting. I am better than you guys at your own game.
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RE: If God sent your child to Hell.
April 28, 2015 at 7:09 pm
(April 28, 2015 at 7:03 pm)Polaris Wrote: (April 23, 2015 at 10:57 am)dyresand Wrote: I said it before ill say it again do not call anyone delusional until you take a good hard look at your self and your beliefs.
Also stop just please stop causing problems. Just stop being a asshole to everyone please thanks.
You bolster a side with magic, you need to prove magic you also need to prove a god exists the burden is on you.
Where as atheists bolster a side with proven fact and well documented and researched theory that are proven to be true.
You guys rarely come with facts or the "facts" (slightly better than Ancient Aliens) you do come up with would be laughed at in any academic setting. I am better than you guys at your own game.
It's not a game though, see. It's reality. To be fair to you, mentally speaking you are softer to mould and therefore more predisposed to blurring the lines between reality and fiction. That's what happens when you decide not to read science books and rest on your laurels in the safe, comfortable delusion that everything was created by magic.
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RE: If God sent your child to Hell.
April 28, 2015 at 7:15 pm
I probably have studied more science than you (including brewing chemistry), but I do spend more of my time researching history.
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RE: If God sent your child to Hell.
April 28, 2015 at 7:26 pm
(April 28, 2015 at 7:15 pm)Polaris Wrote: I probably have studied more science than you (including brewing chemistry), but I do spend more of my time researching history.
Fair enough. My reaction in that regard was a little knee-jerk, mea culpa.
However, what I really took issue with is you claiming most atheists on here don't back up their claims with evidence/facts. Can you be more specific?
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RE: If God sent your child to Hell.
April 30, 2015 at 2:53 am
(April 28, 2015 at 7:03 pm)Polaris Wrote: I am better than you guys at your own game.
lol, you're the only one jacking off in this thread, pal. Obviously you're gonna take that, uh, crown.
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RE: If God sent your child to Hell.
April 30, 2015 at 10:09 pm
(April 30, 2015 at 2:53 am)Parkers Tan Wrote: (April 28, 2015 at 7:03 pm)Polaris Wrote: I am better than you guys at your own game.
lol, you're the only one jacking off in this thread, pal. Obviously you're gonna take that, uh, crown.
The crown as you labeled it is that which should be expected of an American.
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RE: If God sent your child to Hell.
May 5, 2015 at 4:19 am
(April 14, 2015 at 11:48 pm)Iroscato Wrote: So let us for a moment imagine God is real, and a theist dies and goes to heaven. Now imagine 30 or so years later, the child of that theist, who ended up being an atheist, dies and gets sent to hell for his non-belief.
From now until the end of time your child, whom you cherished and adored from the moment they were born, whom you would literally give your own life for, will be tortured and tormented in ways that are incomprehensible to the mind. They will never escape, and God will never change his mind, so their suffering will be as eternal as your own afterlife. You will never see your own child again, and you know that every minute of every day, they are in indescribable agony.
My question is...what would theists think of the God who not only let this happen, but specifically planned it as part of his grand scheme for humanity? How would that effect your love for God and your trust in him? I am extremely curious to know.
Your scenario is non-biblical since no one goes to heaven but a lot of people could go to heaven. Even so, hell is just temporary and everyone will get out on Judgment Day. After that a person might get into the gaudy bejeweled golden cube called New Jerusalem if he can pass through one of the twelve gates dedicated to the twelve tribes of Israel. If not he won't get in and may be tossed into the lake of fire. There's nothing in the fairy tale about anyone being concerned about what's happening to former family members.
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RE: If God sent your child to Hell.
May 10, 2015 at 11:56 am
(April 14, 2015 at 11:48 pm)Iroscato Wrote: So let us for a moment imagine God is real, and a theist dies and goes to heaven. Now imagine 30 or so years later, the child of that theist, who ended up being an atheist, dies and gets sent to hell for his non-belief...My question is...what would theists think of the God who not only let this happen, but specifically planned it...
To me, it seems the author of this plot line didn't think it all the way through. In the bible, stuff like this gets glossed over without much comment, though Jesus did say, "From now on five in one household will be divided...father against son...mother against daughter..." (Luke 12.52-53), this passage cast in poetic meter after Jesus had just announced he wasn't bringing peace, but fire, to the earth.
All the usual conundra attend our interpretation of this, part of a public speech by Jesus on subjects of hypocrisy, the family divisions caused by disputes over wealth, and vigilance among servants, all told as parables. How faithfully does Luke, written ca. 85 CE, represent the actual Jesus? While Christians have always held to warning regarding one's status in the afterlife, the twisted, Dantian hell concepts we paint in as background seem to have crept in as time passed and the church grew more powerful. Many Christians no longer subscribe to the fundamentalist hell, believing spiritual accountability to God and its urgency may be expressed that way in Greek koine but not to be taken as literal description of the afterlife.
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RE: If God sent your child to Hell.
May 10, 2015 at 11:58 am
As far as I know, If you were born and lived your whole live without knowing there is a God, or haven't read any religions book concerning the existence of a spiritual being who created the universe, that person automatically goes to heaven. It sound logical.
Simply, If i had a child i would rather not expose him to any believe system. Because in the mind of child to know that there is a concept of Hell & Heaven exist and created by God, is not healthy in the live of that child.
If God is real, I bet he would send Atheist to heaven rather than to hell. The reason why? it's not our fault that God never revealed himself to us, therefore we are not condemned to hell fire. Even if we assume we know the truth based on the 'Holy Scriptures', why on earth would God, whom is just and merciful send his creatures to hell because they didn't believe in his words.
If that's the case, then we are all doomed, the believers and the unbelievers. This is why i tend to think, Hell is not such a bad place after all! 
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RE: If God sent your child to Hell.
May 10, 2015 at 12:07 pm
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Opinion appears to be divided among theists. I've been listening to Steve Shives do his latest review of apologists' books, and that author clearly states that those who never even hear of Christianity go to hell. The full hell. And he's fine with that! He says God doesn't have to save anyone from hell, so we should be grateful that any of us get saved.
How religion can twist people. Move to 24:15 in the video below to hear the chapter I'm talking about. It may be one of the worst and most revolting apologetics you've ever heard.
http://youtu.be/5cJ-WwM3aKM
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