Game of Thrones Season 5 Discussion [SPOILERS WITHIN]

[SteelCurtain]

Probably. I am really interested in how they resolve that storyline. How the fuck does Jaime get out of that?

[Saxmoof]

I hadn't thought of that for some reason

I don't see how he can get out of it, not in a believable way anyway. They won't kill him because he's too valuable as a hostage, but then what? Cut off his other hand and send it to Cersei?

[SteelCurtain]

Well remember, Doran is a calculating pansy. He might send Jaime back just to avoid a war. They really haven't hit too hard on that part of Doran's personality, this might be how they show it. In the books, he locks up all his nieces in order to avoid war, and he the whole thing with Arianne.

[pocaracas]

The casting of this guy was perfect!


That's Sophie Turner (Sansa)

[Iroscato]

As long as it remains the best TV show of all time - and in my opinion it still is - I couldn't care less how closely it follows the books. They'll still retain the basic elements and draw from GRRM's plans to a certain degree, much as how the MCU takes elements and amalgamates them into the movies, but doesn't strictly follow them.

[Clueless Morgan]

A couple things going around my friends' facebook pages:
(article quotes in the hide tags)

We Will No Longer Be Promoting HBO’s Game of Thrones
http://www.themarysue.com/we-will-no-lon...f-thrones/

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"Just over a year ago, the TMS staff and I felt the need to have a serious discussion after the Season 4 episode “Breaker of Chains.” As you may recall, a scene between two characters which was seen by many as consensual in the books was seen as quite the opposite by many when it was adapted to screen. The consensus from us at that time was that, though we wished the scene hadn’t happened, we were going to continue to watch — but we were not going to let the creators off the hook. Many felt differently, and that scene was the last straw for them. Others had already given up on the show because of its depictions of sexual violence toward women, and saw this as confirmation that they’d made the correct decision."

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All (hopefully) of the bad arguments about rape on Game of Thrones debunked
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/05/all-hope...Q.facebook

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"One way you can tell that people are starting from a conclusion and arguing backwards is when they bust out the everything-and-the-kitchen-sink strategy: Trying a bunch of different arguments in hopes that one “sticks” and justifies a conclusion you’ve already arrived at and are trying to rationalize. That strategy was out in spades with the critics of the Ramsay Bolton/Sansa Stark rape on Game of Thrones. I’ve defended the scene, and I will note that my argument remains unchanged: It comported with the way the series exists, above all other things, to subvert common fantasy and adventure tropes that glamorize war by twisting certain cliches that we’ve become accustomed to, including the cliche that sexual violence is always thwarted at the last minute by a brave act of heroism.

But the arguments against it are classic moving goalposts: If not this, then this. Or this. Or this. Anything to justify the pre-existing conclusion that because this scene made viewers uncomfortable, it shouldn’t have been shown. Anyway, not to pick on anyone specific, but Jen Trolio of Vox manages to accumulate so many of the bad arguments in one piece that I figured I’d use her as a starting point for this debunking."

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I'm Done Recapping Game of Thrones
http://blogtown.portlandmercury.com/Blog...of-thrones

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"A big part of why I have been consistently excited to recap Game of Thrones is because for a long time it felt like an innovative series. Tired fantasy tropes were subverted, common narrative devices were dispensed with, and common tropes seemed thin on the ground. Ned Stark, a man who would have a heroic death in other series, dies ingloriously beneath an executioner’s axe. Magic, which is a dying force is so many fantasy worlds, is making a comeback in Westeros. Robb Stark, who would be the main character of a lesser series simply because he is noble and has a dead father, is dispensed with violently. I hated the Red Wedding when I first read it, but now I think of it as the series dispensing with clichés along with its characters. I thought for a long time that Game of Thrones was going to be a new kind of genre series that was over and above the clichés of its kind of narrative. Politics, for instance, were more important than just another tired hero’s journey. Characters would not be just stock types, but deeper and more conniving.

I thought, for a long time, that Game of Thrones was more than just an ordinary fantasy series. And, for the most part, it is. For the most part, it remains an excellent example of the genre, even as it critiques and dispenses with the fantasy genre’s most tired conventions.

However, this past week Game of Thrones proved itself to be very horribly and troublingly ordinary. There is nothing new, innovative, or groundbreaking in how the series has handled rape. If anything, the show’s depiction of sexual violence is downright retrograde as viewers are invited to be shocked and titillated by images of women being sexually brutalized on multiple occasions."

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Thoughts?

[Aroura]

As long as it remains the best TV show of all time - and in my opinion it still is - I couldn't care less how closely it follows the books. They'll still retain the basic elements and draw from GRRM's plans to a certain degree, much as how the MCU takes elements and amalgamates them into the movies, but doesn't strictly follow them.

Really?  I love it, don't get me wrong, but I think Breaking Bad was better.

And I adore the books, even though they are starting to suffer from what I call Jordanism (any WoT readers will understand what I mean), and the TV show is great, great casting, special effects and so forth, I find the convoluted plot does not transfer as well to TV as other stories might. 

The opening credits, however, are the best of any TV show ever.   I get chills every time.

[Whateverist]

Personally I found myself repulsed by the rape. It may have a different effect on others but probably most will be repulsed. I chalk that up to the grittier reality of the GoT world over that of LofR.

[pocaracas]

So, let me get this straight... "Killing people in the most horrifying way possible (Mountain vs Oberyn, anyone?, Red wedding) is ok... but raping?! Oh, hell no!!" Is that it?
Why is our society so permissive with depicting crude violence that kills and maims, but is so prudish with depictions of violence towards women's present-day liberties?

I think it makes sense within the psychology of the show.
It's reminiscent of the Middle ages in Europe where a patriarchy is fully instated. Even so, the show has way too many women in places of power: Cersei, Danny, Olena.

[Iroscato]

As long as it remains the best TV show of all time - and in my opinion it still is - I couldn't care less how closely it follows the books. They'll still retain the basic elements and draw from GRRM's plans to a certain degree, much as how the MCU takes elements and amalgamates them into the movies, but doesn't strictly follow them.

Really?  I love it, don't get me wrong, but I think Breaking Bad was better.

And I adore the books, even though they are starting to suffer from what I call Jordanism (any WoT readers will understand what I mean), and the TV show is great, great casting, special effects and so forth, I find the convoluted plot does not transfer as well to TV as other stories might. 

The opening credits, however, are the best of any TV show ever.   I get chills every time.

I can respect that, but different strokes I guess. For me it just edges Firefly and Breaking Bad as my personal favourites