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RE: Peer reviewed study published in Science Journal turns out to be fraud.
May 23, 2015 at 12:16 pm
(May 23, 2015 at 11:54 am)YGninja Wrote: (May 23, 2015 at 11:52 am)Chuck Wrote: What's new? The bible had been mainstream for 1700 years, and it's a total fraud.
How many more retractions are due which are yet to be discovered, i wonder? There has already been more fraud in the 'science of evolution', than all other sciences put together.
Well, that's the beauty of peer review. These things can be discovered and eliminated from our knowledge base. How many fraudulent lines of scriptures have been deleted in the past 2,000 years?
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RE: Peer reviewed study published in Science Journal turns out to be fraud.
May 23, 2015 at 12:28 pm
(This post was last modified: May 23, 2015 at 12:34 pm by YGninja.)
I am very disappointed to see such a lack of condemnation amongst so-called science lovers.
Those saying 'science self corrects', erm, no. This was corrected by pure chance. The fact is that the fraudulent data passed through peer-review and entered the Science journal with no-one so much as batting an eye.
Due to the exclusive nature of the vast majority of studies, no-one can attempt to replicate the results. It is only in this study, being dependent on social science, which is accessible to practically anyone, which led to it being exposed as fraud.
It is also true that the study was publicised in numerous media outlets, yet the retraction in very few, so the brainwashing effect of this study will not be reversed. It was pronounced with widespread exposure, retracted in silence. How many times have we said that before with so called evolutionary 'missing links'?
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RE: Peer reviewed study published in Science Journal turns out to be fraud.
May 23, 2015 at 12:32 pm
(May 23, 2015 at 12:28 pm)YGninja Wrote: I am very disappointed to see such a lack of condemnation amongst so-called science lovers.
Those saying 'science self corrects', erm, no. This was corrected by pure chance. The fact is that the fraudulent data passed through peer-review and entered the Science journal with no-one so much as batting an eye.
We have a limited amount of condemnation available. The permanent 2000 year old error called the bible requires all that we have and many times more. None can be spared for errors in science so transient that it corrected itself in a couple of years.
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RE: Peer reviewed study published in Science Journal turns out to be fraud.
May 23, 2015 at 12:33 pm
Not sure what kind of condemnation you're looking for. It's almost as if you think this is a bigger deal than the people that are well aware of how science works and its limitations.
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RE: Peer reviewed study published in Science Journal turns out to be fraud.
May 23, 2015 at 12:33 pm
(May 23, 2015 at 12:32 pm)Chuck Wrote: (May 23, 2015 at 12:28 pm)YGninja Wrote: I am very disappointed to see such a lack of condemnation amongst so-called science lovers.
Those saying 'science self corrects', erm, no. This was corrected by pure chance. The fact is that the fraudulent data passed through peer-review and entered the Science journal with no-one so much as batting an eye.
We have a limited amount of condemnation available. The permanent 2000 year old error called the bible requires all that we have and many times more. None can be spared for errors in science so transient that it corrected itself in a couple of years.
Very dishonest of you to try and change the subject.
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RE: Peer reviewed study published in Science Journal turns out to be fraud.
May 23, 2015 at 12:34 pm
Pure chance? Did you even read the article you buffoon?
A separate group tried unsuccessfully to replicate the results. They then asked for the raw data from the original study, which didn't exist. That's exactly how it's supposed to work. If you do a study with fantastic (and I'm not using that term colloquially) results, people are going to look at it closely and try to disprove or confirm the experiment.
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RE: Peer reviewed study published in Science Journal turns out to be fraud.
May 23, 2015 at 12:35 pm
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(May 23, 2015 at 12:33 pm)YGninja Wrote: (May 23, 2015 at 12:32 pm)Chuck Wrote: We have a limited amount of condemnation available. The permanent 2000 year old error called the bible requires all that we have and many times more. None can be spared for errors in science so transient that it corrected itself in a couple of years.
Very dishonest of you to try and change the subject.
Very dishonest of you to misrepresent science, and attempt to damn it by insinuating it is based a similar intellectual foundations as your bible.
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RE: Peer reviewed study published in Science Journal turns out to be fraud.
May 23, 2015 at 12:36 pm
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(May 23, 2015 at 12:34 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: Pure chance? Did you even read the article you buffoon?
A separate group tried unsuccessfully to replicate the results. They then asked for the raw data from the original study, which didn't exist. That's exactly how it's supposed to work. If you do a study with fantastic (and I'm not using that term colloquially) results, people are going to look at it closely and try to disprove or confirm the experiment.
It is pure chance that a separate group tried to replicate the results. The results and the conclusion taken from those results should have been exposed during peer-review. Peer reviews are meant to anaylse the veracity of the source data. Once a paper has passed peer-review, it is widely acknowledged to be reliable, with no further investigation necessary.
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RE: Peer reviewed study published in Science Journal turns out to be fraud.
May 23, 2015 at 12:39 pm
Except we're already aware that science is fallible. The only difference between science and religion in this regard is that science admits its flaws.
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RE: Peer reviewed study published in Science Journal turns out to be fraud.
May 23, 2015 at 12:41 pm
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(May 23, 2015 at 12:36 pm)YGninja Wrote: (May 23, 2015 at 12:34 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: Pure chance? Did you even read the article you buffoon?
A separate group tried unsuccessfully to replicate the results. They then asked for the raw data from the original study, which didn't exist. That's exactly how it's supposed to work. If you do a study with fantastic (and I'm not using that term colloquially) results, people are going to look at it closely and try to disprove or confirm the experiment.
It is pure chance that a separate group tried to replicate the results. The results and the conclusion taken from those results should have been exposed during peer-review. Peer reviews are meant to anaylse the veracity of the source data.
On the contrary, virtually every result in science will be subjected to repeated efforts at duplication, not only shortly after the publication but down through the ages when the result could be of any relevance to any other scientific inquiry. Even now newton's results in duplication are still sought every day in huge array of experiments and inqueries, and any deviation, real or through experimental error, rigorously investigated. Were you brain dead during your education years or were you "home schooled" such that you could be unaware of this?
when did any of you co-religionists attempt to duplicate virgin birth and resurrection?
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