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June 17, 2015 at 12:03 pm
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(June 17, 2015 at 11:02 am)Rhythm Wrote: (June 17, 2015 at 9:37 am)popsthebuilder Wrote: What did I give up?
Not horse shit. Unity, enlightenment, inner peace, tranquility, ease of earthy burdens, direction, love, faith.
Now wait a minute.......I can't call that happy horseshit? Sounds nice, to me.....and I thought that's how we were deciding all of this?
What, now we're having a contest to see whose happy is bigger?
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June 17, 2015 at 12:07 pm
(June 17, 2015 at 11:10 am)Iroscato Wrote: Interesting talking about epiphanies, I was about 14 ..
I had one of those when I was about 11, I think. Woke me up and I discovered I'd messed myself a little. Of course, after that I wanked so often I never had another.
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June 17, 2015 at 12:17 pm
(June 17, 2015 at 12:07 pm)whateverist Wrote: (June 17, 2015 at 11:10 am)Iroscato Wrote: Interesting talking about epiphanies, I was about 14 ..
I had one of those when I was about 11, I think. Woke me up and I discovered I'd messed myself a little. Of course, after that I wanked so often I never had another.
Aye, I was a bit of a late starter. By Christ did I ever make up for it though... 
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June 17, 2015 at 12:17 pm
(June 16, 2015 at 8:42 pm)Rhythm Wrote: What if I skipped all of that and hit you over the head with my toaster until you agreed? That's just as good, right?  Then you'd be acting like god.
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June 17, 2015 at 4:40 pm
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Okay. I was an adamant atheist from early childhood up until maybe a decade ago. Roughly 20 years. Was an atheist because I believed in evolution and still do, and because I was brought up christian more specifically baptist and couldn't understand why a god of love and compassion could allow so much pain. Anyway, slowly started believing there may be a higher power but couldn't have any real faith in that power. Had a lot going on as far as drama, stress, money problems, battles with addiction, and had been bordering a very unhealthy state of morbid psychosis. Now this holy intervention was initially about 4 years ago. Even right after it happened parts were fading from my mind. When I got home I attempted to note down the things I could remember but all that was put to paper was ideals. So I was driving down the street after work feeling like the weight in my shoulders could crush me at any moment, and feeling particularly homicidal towards a particular person. I remember listening to the radio then it just faded out. I attempted to change the channel but nothing changed but the numbers. My burdens were effortlessly lifted from me causing a deep sob in relief and hysteric laughter. All my times of doubt throughout childhood, adolescents, and adulthood were brought to the front of my mind. Things and times long forgotten. For each case and even before my birth I was filled with a sense of knowing I guess. He or it showed me that he had been there all along and that he had not only hope for me but great plans. Through my premature birth and the months on a respirator in an incubator, through out my trying childhood, through my personal failings, through the deaths and births of the people I hold dear. He was there through all of my follies and trials. I wasn't even aware. I find his intervention absolutely miraculous and thank him and remind him in turn that I have not and will not forget. There is always a faint connection I can feel now. Sometimes exceedingly strong. I try to ask for guidance often because there are indeed two sides if not three and I have to fight to focus on the one that is just and righteous.
When it was over the radio came back on but the sense of relief has never left through all my outward turmoil.
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June 17, 2015 at 4:46 pm
Wow, quite the powerful experience!
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June 17, 2015 at 4:51 pm
Just typing that tears rolled freely down my face but the only things I felt were relief and joy. I call that a real connection, most assuredly the lot of you will call it a mental problem.
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June 17, 2015 at 5:30 pm
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A mental phenomenon maybe. If you felt better afterwards it doesn't seem to be a problem per se. Sounds more like a reaction to severe stress... Fortunately you didn't crash your car in that moment.
There doesn't need to be a connection to anything outside your own mind for such experiences to occur.
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June 17, 2015 at 7:53 pm
.. nor for it to have value for you. It doesn't automatically count as a revelation everyone needs to hear from you, however.
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June 17, 2015 at 7:56 pm
(June 17, 2015 at 7:53 pm)whateverist Wrote: .. nor for it to have value for you. It doesn't automatically count as a revelation everyone needs to hear from you, however.
Well, I asked...
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
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