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divine logic?
#1
divine logic?
Guys, from an ignoramus who hasn't had the misfortune of reading and studying the bible to the nth degree, can someone please answer me this.
Is there anything "good" which has benefited mankind which can be attributed to the writings of the bible, quran, etc, to basically prove its divinity.
Something which logic, intelligence or just plain common sense alone could not have intentionally or accidentally stumbled onto?

EG:
Any mind blowing moral or ethical teachings which we are now only realising their social profoundness?
Did Jesus ever mutter to one of his disciples:  let me tell you a secret,  "e=mc2"
or maybe God mentioned the double helix somewhere in the old testament and we missed it?
No reference of a meteor from 75 million years ago doing a bit of damage to Gods property?

My point is: If all of this "could have" been written by man, why don't we just accept it as "fiction" like we do with other books, novels.
Instead, for most, the absurd version of events seems the most likely! Why?
The Ancient greeks had lots of stories, myths, parables, eg: The Minotaur, etc, but no-one believes that was actual.

I'll never get it ....
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#2
RE: divine logic?
Well by reading those to the n-th degree you do get stuff like possibly stashing a pair of seismosaurus on a tiny wooden boat alongside a huge number of other living/non-living things, and that is well beyond any logic or standard intelligence, so it has to be divine in nature.

Or when a kid eats mud and then reveals to have the entire universe in his mouth (univerception?), that's gotta be mind blowing.

However the real proof of the divine origin is how open and flexible the texts are, every single word can be read and reread to get a new and different meaning each time.
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RE: divine logic?
0/12 worst erotic novel ever
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RE: divine logic?
(June 22, 2015 at 8:19 am)Neimenovic Wrote: 0/12 worst erotic novel ever

Apart from the bit where the prostitute fantasizes about donkey dicks... (Ezekiel 23:20)
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#5
RE: divine logic?
No, there's nothing in my opinion. Matt D calls it the "big book of multiple choice". It contradicts itself so hard and writes such vague drivel that if you really want to find a bit in there that matches something, and your standards are low, you'll make it fit. It's all retroactive wishful thinking. No one ever found out something amazing because of wisdom in the bible, they just think they see the wisdom there after it has been found out.
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#6
RE: divine logic?
When I was a christian and going through financial difficulties, I asked god what should I do.  I opened my bybul to chapter 11.  So I filed for bankruptcy that day.

What other proof do you need, that was divine intervention if I have ever seen it  Angel
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RE: divine logic?
(June 22, 2015 at 7:18 am)ignoramus Wrote: Guys, from an ignoramus who hasn't had the misfortune of reading and studying the bible to the nth degree, can someone please answer me this.
Is there anything "good" which has benefited mankind which can be attributed to the writings of the bible, quran, etc, to basically prove its divinity.
Something which logic, intelligence or just plain common sense alone could not have intentionally or accidentally stumbled onto?

EG:
Any mind blowing moral or ethical teachings which we are now only realising their social profoundness?
Did Jesus ever mutter to one of his disciples:  let me tell you a secret,  "e=mc2"
or maybe God mentioned the double helix somewhere in the old testament and we missed it?
No reference of a meteor from 75 million years ago doing a bit of damage to Gods property?


The answer to all of those questions is "no."  

You do not have to simply take my word for this.  You can know absolutely that that is correct because otherwise the religionists would be constantly bringing it up to convince you to believe.  So it is a certainty, as certain as any such thing can be.


(June 22, 2015 at 7:18 am)ignoramus Wrote: My point is: If all of this "could have" been written by man, why don't we just accept it as "fiction" like we do with other books, novels.
Instead, for most, the absurd version of events seems the most likely! Why?
The Ancient greeks had lots of stories, myths, parables, eg: The Minotaur, etc, but no-one believes that was actual.

I'll never get it ....


If you had been properly indoctrinated as a child, you would understand why people believe such nonsense.  When a child is raised, the child is dependent upon others (parents, typically) for everything, including information about how the world works.  For example, a child is told that fire is hot and can burn and hurt it, and that it should not stick its hands on the stove.  One can clearly learn that that is the truth from not doing what one is told regarding that, and so children learn to pay attention to their caretakers.  Their caretakers may also tell them religious nonsense.  The thing is, it is not presented as a separate category, to be judged separately.  It is presented along with everything else.  So, if one is properly indoctrinated, one will believe all sorts of nonsense, for a while at least.

The parents likely were indoctrinated when they were children by their parents.  And their parents were likely indoctrinated when they were children by their parents.  And etc.

In ancient times, people did not have a scientific understanding of the world, and most people believed a good deal of nonsense.  So in ancient times, suckering people into some different nonsense was not that difficult.  So that is how religion got started.

That is why religion exists today.

"A wise man ... proportions his belief to the evidence."
— David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, Section X, Part I.
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#8
RE: divine logic?
No, people don't need religion to be moral. There is more immorality than morality in books like the torah, koran, and bible.

No, religion isn’t interested in facts, they’re interested in their made-up stories, and how they can modify their stories over time to scare you so much that you stay in that particular religion to extract as much money from you as possible.

As robvalue said, it’s a big book of multiple choice, you don’t have to adjust to this book all that much. You can ignore what you want, and take what you want from it, to match it to your own morality, and Bingo! you’re part of brainless cult. Congratulations religion, you sucked in another one, for the corrupt, immoral assholes at the top of the food chain.
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RE: divine logic?
(June 22, 2015 at 8:31 am)Mr Greene Wrote:
(June 22, 2015 at 8:19 am)Neimenovic Wrote: 0/12 worst erotic novel ever

Apart from the bit where the prostitute fantasizes about donkey dicks... (Ezekiel 23:20)

Not into donkey porn Tongue
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RE: divine logic?
(June 22, 2015 at 7:18 am)ignoramus Wrote: Guys, from an ignoramus who hasn't had the misfortune of reading and studying the bible to the nth degree, can someone please answer me this.
Is there anything "good" which has benefited mankind which can be attributed to the writings of the bible, quran, etc, to basically prove its divinity.
Something which logic, intelligence or just plain common sense alone could not have intentionally or accidentally stumbled onto?

EG:
Any mind blowing moral or ethical teachings which we are now only realising their social profoundness?
Did Jesus ever mutter to one of his disciples:  let me tell you a secret,  "e=mc2"
or maybe God mentioned the double helix somewhere in the old testament and we missed it?
No reference of a meteor from 75 million years ago doing a bit of damage to Gods property?

My point is: If all of this "could have" been written by man, why don't we just accept it as "fiction" like we do with other books, novels.
Instead, for most, the absurd version of events seems the most likely! Why?
The Ancient greeks had lots of stories, myths, parables, eg: The Minotaur, etc, but no-one believes that was actual.

I'll never get it ....

God has the answers if you will allow it.

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