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Quote:According to the Qur'an (18:86), a man named Dhul-Qarnain reached the place where the sun sets. When he got there, he found the sun going down into a muddy pool. Muslim apologists commonly reinterpret the passage, but only because they're ignoring Muhammad's commentary.
(July 12, 2015 at 8:37 pm)huss88ein Wrote: Well these colors are real in your photo no doubt and that is a gum not leech according to modern medicine translation to arabic and it also mentiond but in earlier stages this embryo cant be studied without microscope as for the coulour we all know that coagulated blood formations are black so the embryo in early stages.
For the leeches in quran it is mentioned in pleural not singular name in quran .
Hope that was helpful and so you know all of the stages in arbia land are mentioned in thier arabic names witch came from quran . And arab doctors are good doctors among them there are multiple leading surgeons in the US and france whom I know .
So which are you saying the authors of the quran could not have seen?
A leech or a spontaneously aborted embryo?
I know you muslims are squeemish about lady things like that, but it isn't supernatural to look.
It's not unlikely. Arabs had a pretty good reputation for observation and investigation of nature before the theocratic nut-cases took over in the 13th century. At that point their progress towards truth just stopped. http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publicatio...om-science
Quote:Forty-six Muslim countries combined contribute just 1 percent of the world’s scientific literature; Spain and India each contribute more of the world’s scientific literature than those countries taken together.
Can you tell me exactly what surras your super duper Arab surgeons are using as technical references in their professions?
Well that is amazing your way of conclusion is admired but you forget that even if there was an abortion you can't see anything in it but blood and coagulated drops so you will never be able to tell without a scientific study under microscope . An I am telling you that from experience as in my profession I've seen hundreds of them.
As for the scientific attributes from arabs you're being prejudice the countries of arabs are full with dictators so they tend to migrate to other countries and you can search that for your self and lists of arab names are mentioned in every field.
For the surah were it is mentioned I've already mentioned it multiple times in this discussion.
just an advice you can never say someone is unable to contribute to science just because he is a muslim or arab or christian that is racist and ethnic
Mendel was a priest and look at his contribution in biology.
I've mentioned Mendel here to tell u that science is never a monopoly to a certain relegion or race.
I can mention hundreds of Muslim scientists such as Ibnsina , Ibnhaitham , Alrazy, Ibnnafees..............
(July 12, 2015 at 9:13 pm)huss88ein Wrote: Well that is amazing your way of conclusion is admired but you forget that even if there was an abortion you can't see anything in it but blood and coagulated drops so you will never be able to tell without a scientific study under microscope . An I am telling you that from experience as in my profession I've seen hundreds of them.
And did you wash off the surface blood so you could see the embryo?
I didn't think so.
At 30 days (approximately the time the neural tube closes as in your graphic) the embryo is 2.5 to 3.5 mm overall length.
A medium grain of rice is 5 to 7 mm long. Are you saying that you cannot see anything as small as half a grain of rice? I'm sorry your vision is so bad, but take heart, others are not so blind as you.
Quote:For the surah were it is mentioned I've already mentioned it multiple times in this discussion.
I wasn't asking about the embryo/leech nonsense.
What I was asking was what surahs are your surgeon friends using to help them with their surgical practices.
My guess is that they are not using any.
They are probably current on technique and they study current, western, references because that is where current progress is being made.
What you will see is that their religion has no bearing on their surgical practice.
Quote:just an advice you can never say someone is unable to contribute to science just because he is a muslim or arab or christian that is racist and ethnic
Mendel was a priest and look at his contribution in biology.
I've mentioned Mendel here to tell u that science is never a monopoly to a certain relegion or race.
I can mention hundreds of Muslim scientists such as Ibnsina , Ibnhaitham , Alrazy, Ibnnafees..............
It isn't racist to point out that a certain culture is unwilling to accept scientific advances because they are stuck in the middle ages.
Ibnsina (Avicenna) ~980CE to June 1027CE
Ibn al-Haytham (Alhazen) ~965CE – ~1040CE
Muhammad ibn Zakariyā Rāzī (Rhazes) 854CE to 925CE
Ibn al-Nafis 1213CE to 1288CE
It's nice you were able to find one scientist who lived less than a thousand years ago.
Arab science died 700 years ago. It's a matter of culture, not race.
So how, exactly, does God know that She's NOT a brain in a vat?
July 12, 2015 at 10:02 pm (This post was last modified: July 12, 2015 at 10:11 pm by huss88ein.)
(July 12, 2015 at 9:53 pm)JuliaL Wrote:
(July 12, 2015 at 9:13 pm)huss88ein Wrote: Well that is amazing your way of conclusion is admired but you forget that even if there was an abortion you can't see anything in it but blood and coagulated drops so you will never be able to tell without a scientific study under microscope . An I am telling you that from experience as in my profession I've seen hundreds of them.
And did you wash off the surface blood so you could see the embryo?
I didn't think so.
At 30 days (approximately the time the neural tube closes as in your graphic) the embryo is 2.5 to 3.5 mm overall length.
A medium grain of rice is 5 to 7 mm long. Are you saying that you cannot see anything as small as half a grain of rice? I'm sorry your vision is so bad, but take heart, others are not so blind as you.
Quote:For the surah were it is mentioned I've already mentioned it multiple times in this discussion.
I wasn't asking about the embryo/leech nonsense.
What I was asking was what surahs are your surgeon friends using to help them with their surgical practices.
My guess is that they are not using any.
They are probably current on technique and they study current, western, references because that is where current progress is being made.
What you will see is that their religion has no bearing on their surgical practice.
Quote:just an advice you can never say someone is unable to contribute to science just because he is a muslim or arab or christian that is racist and ethnic
Mendel was a priest and look at his contribution in biology.
I've mentioned Mendel here to tell u that science is never a monopoly to a certain relegion or race.
I can mention hundreds of Muslim scientists such as Ibnsina , Ibnhaitham , Alrazy, Ibnnafees..............
It isn't racist to point out that a certain culture is unwilling to accept scientific advances because they are stuck in the middle ages.
Ibnsina (Avicenna) ~980CE to June 1027CE
Ibn al-Haytham (Alhazen) ~965CE – ~1040CE
Muhammad ibn Zakariyā Rāzī (Rhazes) 854CE to 925CE
Ibn al-Nafis 1213CE to 1288CE
It's nice you were able to find one scientist who lived less than a thousand years ago.
Arab science died 700 years ago. It's a matter of culture, not race.
Well it is not that easy cause in every abortion there are clots of blood how would you know which one is the embryo and if it is that easy then do it and send me the picture.
(July 12, 2015 at 9:53 pm)JuliaL Wrote:
(July 12, 2015 at 9:13 pm)huss88ein Wrote: Well that is amazing your way of conclusion is admired but you forget that even if there was an abortion you can't see anything in it but blood and coagulated drops so you will never be able to tell without a scientific study under microscope . An I am telling you that from experience as in my profession I've seen hundreds of them.
And did you wash off the surface blood so you could see the embryo?
I didn't think so.
At 30 days (approximately the time the neural tube closes as in your graphic) the embryo is 2.5 to 3.5 mm overall length.
A medium grain of rice is 5 to 7 mm long. Are you saying that you cannot see anything as small as half a grain of rice? I'm sorry your vision is so bad, but take heart, others are not so blind as you.
Quote:For the surah were it is mentioned I've already mentioned it multiple times in this discussion.
I wasn't asking about the embryo/leech nonsense.
What I was asking was what surahs are your surgeon friends using to help them with their surgical practices.
My guess is that they are not using any.
They are probably current on technique and they study current, western, references because that is where current progress is being made.
What you will see is that their religion has no bearing on their surgical practice.
Quote:just an advice you can never say someone is unable to contribute to science just because he is a muslim or arab or christian that is racist and ethnic
Mendel was a priest and look at his contribution in biology.
I've mentioned Mendel here to tell u that science is never a monopoly to a certain relegion or race.
I can mention hundreds of Muslim scientists such as Ibnsina , Ibnhaitham , Alrazy, Ibnnafees..............
It isn't racist to point out that a certain culture is unwilling to accept scientific advances because they are stuck in the middle ages.
Ibnsina (Avicenna) ~980CE to June 1027CE
Ibn al-Haytham (Alhazen) ~965CE – ~1040CE
Muhammad ibn Zakariyā Rāzī (Rhazes) 854CE to 925CE
Ibn al-Nafis 1213CE to 1288CE
It's nice you were able to find one scientist who lived less than a thousand years ago.
Arab science died 700 years ago. It's a matter of culture, not race.
(July 12, 2015 at 9:13 pm)huss88ein Wrote: An I am telling you that from experience as in my profession I've seen hundreds of them.
Janitors aren't supposed to open the red bags with the biohazard sign.
Nobody is saying Muslims can't or don't participate in science, several do. If they are employed as a scientist, their religion does not inform their science. Same goes for members of other religions.
July 12, 2015 at 10:40 pm (This post was last modified: July 12, 2015 at 10:47 pm by huss88ein.)
(July 12, 2015 at 10:35 pm)Cato Wrote:
(July 12, 2015 at 9:13 pm)huss88ein Wrote: An I am telling you that from experience as in my profession I've seen hundreds of them.
Janitors aren't supposed to open the red bags with the biohazard sign.
Nobody is saying Muslims can't or don't participate in science, several do. If they are employed as a scientist, their religion does not inform their science. Same goes for members of other religions.
Well I agree . I never said that quran is a book of science cause it's not but it has signs to guide you to the truth.
As for the janitor s thingy I dont understand what do u mean, I'm not a janitor lol.
Quote:According to the Qur'an (18:86), a man named Dhul-Qarnain reached the place where the sun sets. When he got there, he found the sun going down into a muddy pool. Muslim apologists commonly reinterpret the passage, but only because they're ignoring Muhammad's commentary.
When Zul-Qarnain reached the furthest west and no populated land was left, he found the sun as if it sets in a dark spring, but it is not in reality. The same when sea traveler sees the sun as if it sets in the sea if he cannot see the shore while in reality it sets behind the sea. (Ar-Razi, At-Tafsir-ul-Kabir, Volume 21, page 166)
July 12, 2015 at 10:55 pm (This post was last modified: July 12, 2015 at 10:59 pm by JuliaL.)
(July 12, 2015 at 10:02 pm)huss88ein Wrote:
(July 12, 2015 at 9:53 pm)JuliaL Wrote: And did you wash off the surface blood so you could see the embryo?
I didn't think so.
At 30 days (approximately the time the neural tube closes as in your graphic) the embryo is 2.5 to 3.5 mm overall length.
A medium grain of rice is 5 to 7 mm long. Are you saying that you cannot see anything as small as half a grain of rice? I'm sorry your vision is so bad, but take heart, others are not so blind as you.
I wasn't asking about the embryo/leech nonsense.
What I was asking was what surahs are your surgeon friends using to help them with their surgical practices.
My guess is that they are not using any.
They are probably current on technique and they study current, western, references because that is where current progress is being made.
What you will see is that their religion has no bearing on their surgical practice.
It isn't racist to point out that a certain culture is unwilling to accept scientific advances because they are stuck in the middle ages.
Ibnsina (Avicenna) ~980CE to June 1027CE
Ibn al-Haytham (Alhazen) ~965CE – ~1040CE
Muhammad ibn Zakariyā Rāzī (Rhazes) 854CE to 925CE
Ibn al-Nafis 1213CE to 1288CE
It's nice you were able to find one scientist who lived less than a thousand years ago.
Arab science died 700 years ago. It's a matter of culture, not race.
Well it is not that easy cause in every abortion there are clots of blood how would you know which one is the embryo and if it is that easy then do it and send me the picture.
I'll take that response as an admission of failure. Thank you.
Actually, it is that easy. The embryo is enclosed in membranes in which the only blood is its own, a very tiny amount. Unless the membranes have been damaged, the embryo itself will have no blood on it. Maybe you have a problem with washing in addition to seeing?
No surrahs to guide your surgeon friends in current practice?
I'll take that as another admission of failure. Thank you.
(July 12, 2015 at 9:53 pm)JuliaL Wrote: And did you wash off the surface blood so you could see the embryo?
I didn't think so.
At 30 days (approximately the time the neural tube closes as in your graphic) the embryo is 2.5 to 3.5 mm overall length.
A medium grain of rice is 5 to 7 mm long. Are you saying that you cannot see anything as small as half a grain of rice? I'm sorry your vision is so bad, but take heart, others are not so blind as you.
I wasn't asking about the embryo/leech nonsense.
What I was asking was what surahs are your surgeon friends using to help them with their surgical practices.
My guess is that they are not using any.
They are probably current on technique and they study current, western, references because that is where current progress is being made.
What you will see is that their religion has no bearing on their surgical practice.
It isn't racist to point out that a certain culture is unwilling to accept scientific advances because they are stuck in the middle ages.
Ibnsina (Avicenna) ~980CE to June 1027CE
Ibn al-Haytham (Alhazen) ~965CE – ~1040CE
Muhammad ibn Zakariyā Rāzī (Rhazes) 854CE to 925CE
Ibn al-Nafis 1213CE to 1288CE
It's nice you were able to find one scientist who lived less than a thousand years ago.
Arab science died 700 years ago. It's a matter of culture, not race.
Ali Qushji (Ali KUŞÇU 1403 - 1474)
Ibrahim al-Fazari (d. 777 CE)
Muhammad al-Fazari (died 796 or 806)
Al-Khwarizmi, mathematician (c. 780 – c. 850)
Ja'far ibn Muhammad Abu Ma'shar al-Balkhi (Albumasar) (787 - 886 CE)
Al-Farghani (mid-9th century)
Banū Mūsā (Ben ..Mousa) (9th century)
Al-Majriti (d. 1008 or 1007 CE)
Muhammad ibn Jābir al-Harrānī al-Battānī (c. 858 – 929) (Albatenius)
Al-Farabi (c. 872 – c. 950), (Abunaser)
Abd Al-Rahman Al Sufi (903 - 986)
Abu Sa'id Gorgani (9th century)
Kushyar ibn Labban (971 - 1029)
Abū Ja'far al-Khāzin (900 - 971)
Al-Mahani (9th century)
Al-Marwazi (9th century)
Al-Nayrizi (865 - 922)
Al-Saghani (d. 990)
Al-Farghani (9th century)
Abu Nasr Mansur (970 - 1036)
Abū Sahl al-Qūhī (10th century) (Kuhi)
Abu-Mahmud al-Khujandi (940 - 1000)
Abū al-Wafā' al-Būzjānī (940 - 998)
Ibn Yunus (950 - 1009)
Ibn al-Haytham (965 - 140) (Alhacen)
Abū Rayhān al-Bīrūnī (973 - 1048)
Avicenna (980 - 1037) (Ibn Sīnā)
Abū Ishāq Ibrāhīm al-Zarqālī (1029-1087) (Arzachel)
Omar Khayyám (1048 - 1131)
Al-Khazini (fl. 1115-1130)
Ibn Bajjah (1095 - 1138) (Avempace)
Ibn Tufail (1105 - 1185) (Abubacer)
Nur Ed-Din Al Betrugi (12th century - 1204) (Alpetragius)
Averroes (1126 - 1198)
Al-Jazari (1136 - 1206)
Sharaf al-Dīn al-Tūsī (died 1213/4)
Anvari (1126-1189)
Mo'ayyeduddin Urdi (died 1266)
Nasir al-Din Tusi (1201 - 1274)
Qutb al-Din al-Shirazi (1236 - 1311)
Ibn al-Shatir (1304 - 1375)
Shams al-Dīn al-Samarqandī (1250 - 1310)
Jamshīd al-Kāshī (1380 - 1429)
Ulugh Beg (1394 - 1449), also a mathematician
Taqi al-Din Muhammad ibn Ma'ruf (1526 - 1585), Ottoman astronomer
Ahmad Nahavandi (8th and 9th centuries)
Haly Abenragel (10th and 11th century)
Abolfadl Harawi (10th century)
Alisahac, Ottoman astronomer
Biologists, neuroscientists, and psychologists
Ibn Sirin (654–728), author of work on dreams and dream interpretation[1]
Al-Kindi (Alkindus), pioneer of psychotherapy and music therapy[2]
Ali ibn Sahl Rabban al-Tabari, pioneer of psychiatry, clinical psychiatry and clinical psychology[3]
Ahmed ibn Sahl al-Balkhi, pioneer of mental health,[4] medical psychology, cognitive psychology, cognitive therapy, psychophysiology and psychosomatic medicine[5]
Al-Farabi (Alpharabius), pioneer of social psychology and consciousness studies[6]
Ali ibn Abbas al-Majusi (Haly Abbas), pioneer of neuroanatomy, neurobiology and neurophysiology[6]
Abu al-Qasim al-Zahrawi (Abulcasis), pioneer of neurosurgery[7]
Ibn al-Haytham (Alhazen), founder of experimental psychology, psychophysics, phenomenology and visual perception[8]
Abū Rayhān al-Bīrūnī, pioneer of reaction time[9]
Avicenna (Ibn Sīnā), pioneer of neuropsychiatry,[10] thought experiment, self-awareness and self-consciousness[11]
Ibn Zuhr (Avenzoar), pioneer of neurology and neuropharmacology[7]
Averroes, pioneer of Parkinson's disease[7]
Ibn Tufail, pioneer of tabula rasa and nature versus nurture[12]
Mohammad Samir Hossain, a theorist,[13] author and one of the few Muslim scientists[14] in the field of Death anxiety (psychology) research.[13][15]
Congratulations!!
The first entry referencing the 20th century.
Mohammad Hossain is current. Of course his Wikipedia page says he is, "one of the few Muslim scientists..."
I'm not going to go through the rest of that page because it's pretty clear that 90% of the entries are about scientists that died before 1400.
So how, exactly, does God know that She's NOT a brain in a vat?
July 12, 2015 at 11:12 pm (This post was last modified: July 12, 2015 at 11:16 pm by huss88ein.)
(July 12, 2015 at 10:55 pm)JuliaL Wrote:
(July 12, 2015 at 10:02 pm)huss88ein Wrote: Well it is not that easy cause in every abortion there are clots of blood how would you know which one is the embryo and if it is that easy then do it and send me the picture.
I'll take that response as an admission of failure. Thank you.
Actually, it is that easy. The embryo is enclosed in membranes in which the only blood is its own, a very tiny amount. Unless the membranes have been damaged, the embryo itself will have no blood on it. Maybe you have a problem with washing in addition to seeing?
No surrahs to guide your surgeon friends in current practice?
I'll take that as another admission of failure. Thank you.
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(July 12, 2015 at 9:53 pm)JuliaL Wrote: And did you wash off the surface blood so you could see the embryo?
I didn't think so.
At 30 days (approximately the time the neural tube closes as in your graphic) the embryo is 2.5 to 3.5 mm overall length.
A medium grain of rice is 5 to 7 mm long. Are you saying that you cannot see anything as small as half a grain of rice? I'm sorry your vision is so bad, but take heart, others are not so blind as you.
I wasn't asking about the embryo/leech nonsense.
What I was asking was what surahs are your surgeon friends using to help them with their surgical practices.
My guess is that they are not using any.
They are probably current on technique and they study current, western, references because that is where current progress is being made.
What you will see is that their religion has no bearing on their surgical practice.
It isn't racist to point out that a certain culture is unwilling to accept scientific advances because they are stuck in the middle ages.
Ibnsina (Avicenna) ~980CE to June 1027CE
Ibn al-Haytham (Alhazen) ~965CE – ~1040CE
Muhammad ibn Zakariyā Rāzī (Rhazes) 854CE to 925CE
Ibn al-Nafis 1213CE to 1288CE
It's nice you were able to find one scientist who lived less than a thousand years ago.
Arab science died 700 years ago. It's a matter of culture, not race.
Well for the list u should read the rest of it cause they are mentionning lots of scientists and it is just logical from the ancient ones so if it pleases u start from the bottom.
As for our argue I feel we've reached a point where we're arguing for the sake of arguing so I'll just tell u this give me any othe reference as ancient as quran giving these or similar phases and u'll win ok.
Ali Qushji (Ali KUŞÇU 1403 - 1474)
Ibrahim al-Fazari (d. 777 CE)
Muhammad al-Fazari (died 796 or 806)
Al-Khwarizmi, mathematician (c. 780 – c. 850)
Ja'far ibn Muhammad Abu Ma'shar al-Balkhi (Albumasar) (787 - 886 CE)
Al-Farghani (mid-9th century)
Banū Mūsā (Ben ..Mousa) (9th century)
Al-Majriti (d. 1008 or 1007 CE)
Muhammad ibn Jābir al-Harrānī al-Battānī (c. 858 – 929) (Albatenius)
Al-Farabi (c. 872 – c. 950), (Abunaser)
Abd Al-Rahman Al Sufi (903 - 986)
Abu Sa'id Gorgani (9th century)
Kushyar ibn Labban (971 - 1029)
Abū Ja'far al-Khāzin (900 - 971)
Al-Mahani (9th century)
Al-Marwazi (9th century)
Al-Nayrizi (865 - 922)
Al-Saghani (d. 990)
Al-Farghani (9th century)
Abu Nasr Mansur (970 - 1036)
Abū Sahl al-Qūhī (10th century) (Kuhi)
Abu-Mahmud al-Khujandi (940 - 1000)
Abū al-Wafā' al-Būzjānī (940 - 998)
Ibn Yunus (950 - 1009)
Ibn al-Haytham (965 - 140) (Alhacen)
Abū Rayhān al-Bīrūnī (973 - 1048)
Avicenna (980 - 1037) (Ibn Sīnā)
Abū Ishāq Ibrāhīm al-Zarqālī (1029-1087) (Arzachel)
Omar Khayyám (1048 - 1131)
Al-Khazini (fl. 1115-1130)
Ibn Bajjah (1095 - 1138) (Avempace)
Ibn Tufail (1105 - 1185) (Abubacer)
Nur Ed-Din Al Betrugi (12th century - 1204) (Alpetragius)
Averroes (1126 - 1198)
Al-Jazari (1136 - 1206)
Sharaf al-Dīn al-Tūsī (died 1213/4)
Anvari (1126-1189)
Mo'ayyeduddin Urdi (died 1266)
Nasir al-Din Tusi (1201 - 1274)
Qutb al-Din al-Shirazi (1236 - 1311)
Ibn al-Shatir (1304 - 1375)
Shams al-Dīn al-Samarqandī (1250 - 1310)
Jamshīd al-Kāshī (1380 - 1429)
Ulugh Beg (1394 - 1449), also a mathematician
Taqi al-Din Muhammad ibn Ma'ruf (1526 - 1585), Ottoman astronomer
Ahmad Nahavandi (8th and 9th centuries)
Haly Abenragel (10th and 11th century)
Abolfadl Harawi (10th century)
Alisahac, Ottoman astronomer
Biologists, neuroscientists, and psychologists
Ibn Sirin (654–728), author of work on dreams and dream interpretation[1]
Al-Kindi (Alkindus), pioneer of psychotherapy and music therapy[2]
Ali ibn Sahl Rabban al-Tabari, pioneer of psychiatry, clinical psychiatry and clinical psychology[3]
Ahmed ibn Sahl al-Balkhi, pioneer of mental health,[4] medical psychology, cognitive psychology, cognitive therapy, psychophysiology and psychosomatic medicine[5]
Al-Farabi (Alpharabius), pioneer of social psychology and consciousness studies[6]
Ali ibn Abbas al-Majusi (Haly Abbas), pioneer of neuroanatomy, neurobiology and neurophysiology[6]
Abu al-Qasim al-Zahrawi (Abulcasis), pioneer of neurosurgery[7]
Ibn al-Haytham (Alhazen), founder of experimental psychology, psychophysics, phenomenology and visual perception[8]
Abū Rayhān al-Bīrūnī, pioneer of reaction time[9]
Avicenna (Ibn Sīnā), pioneer of neuropsychiatry,[KEYCAP TEN] thought experiment, self-awareness and self-consciousness[11]
Ibn Zuhr (Avenzoar), pioneer of neurology and neuropharmacology[7]
Averroes, pioneer of Parkinson's disease[7]
Ibn Tufail, pioneer of tabula rasa and nature versus nurture[12]
Mohammad Samir Hossain, a theorist,[13] author and one of the few Muslim scientists[14] in the field of Death anxiety (psychology) research.[13][15]
Congratulations!!
The first entry referencing the 20th century.
Mohammad Hossain is current. Of course his Wikipedia page says he is, "one of the few Muslim scientists..."
I'm not going to go through the rest of that page because it's pretty clear that 90% of the entries are about scientists that died before 1400.
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(July 12, 2015 at 11:12 pm)huss88ein Wrote:
(July 12, 2015 at 10:55 pm)JuliaL Wrote: I'll take that response as an admission of failure. Thank you.
Actually, it is that easy. The embryo is enclosed in membranes in which the only blood is its own, a very tiny amount. Unless the membranes have been damaged, the embryo itself will have no blood on it. Maybe you have a problem with washing in addition to seeing?
No surrahs to guide your surgeon friends in current practice?
I'll take that as another admission of failure. Thank you.
Well for the list u should read the rest of it cause they are mentionning lots of scientists and it is just logical from the ancient ones so if it pleases u start from the bottom.
As for our argue I feel we've reached a point where we're arguing for the sake of arguing so I'll just tell u this give me any othe reference as ancient as quran giving these or similar phases and u'll win ok.
Ali Qushji (Ali KUŞÇU 1403 - 1474)
Ibrahim al-Fazari (d. 777 CE)
Muhammad al-Fazari (died 796 or 806)
Al-Khwarizmi, mathematician (c. 780 – c. 850)
Ja'far ibn Muhammad Abu Ma'shar al-Balkhi (Albumasar) (787 - 886 CE)
Al-Farghani (mid-9th century)
Banū Mūsā (Ben ..Mousa) (9th century)
Al-Majriti (d. 1008 or 1007 CE)
Muhammad ibn Jābir al-Harrānī al-Battānī (c. 858 – 929) (Albatenius)
Al-Farabi (c. 872 – c. 950), (Abunaser)
Abd Al-Rahman Al Sufi (903 - 986)
Abu Sa'id Gorgani (9th century)
Kushyar ibn Labban (971 - 1029)
Abū Ja'far al-Khāzin (900 - 971)
Al-Mahani (9th century)
Al-Marwazi (9th century)
Al-Nayrizi (865 - 922)
Al-Saghani (d. 990)
Al-Farghani (9th century)
Abu Nasr Mansur (970 - 1036)
Abū Sahl al-Qūhī (10th century) (Kuhi)
Abu-Mahmud al-Khujandi (940 - 1000)
Abū al-Wafā' al-Būzjānī (940 - 998)
Ibn Yunus (950 - 1009)
Ibn al-Haytham (965 - 140) (Alhacen)
Abū Rayhān al-Bīrūnī (973 - 1048)
Avicenna (980 - 1037) (Ibn Sīnā)
Abū Ishāq Ibrāhīm al-Zarqālī (1029-1087) (Arzachel)
Omar Khayyám (1048 - 1131)
Al-Khazini (fl. 1115-1130)
Ibn Bajjah (1095 - 1138) (Avempace)
Ibn Tufail (1105 - 1185) (Abubacer)
Nur Ed-Din Al Betrugi (12th century - 1204) (Alpetragius)
Averroes (1126 - 1198)
Al-Jazari (1136 - 1206)
Sharaf al-Dīn al-Tūsī (died 1213/4)
Anvari (1126-1189)
Mo'ayyeduddin Urdi (died 1266)
Nasir al-Din Tusi (1201 - 1274)
Qutb al-Din al-Shirazi (1236 - 1311)
Ibn al-Shatir (1304 - 1375)
Shams al-Dīn al-Samarqandī (1250 - 1310)
Jamshīd al-Kāshī (1380 - 1429)
Ulugh Beg (1394 - 1449), also a mathematician
Taqi al-Din Muhammad ibn Ma'ruf (1526 - 1585), Ottoman astronomer
Ahmad Nahavandi (8th and 9th centuries)
Haly Abenragel (10th and 11th century)
Abolfadl Harawi (10th century)
Alisahac, Ottoman astronomer
Biologists, neuroscientists, and psychologists
Ibn Sirin (654–728), author of work on dreams and dream interpretation[1]
Al-Kindi (Alkindus), pioneer of psychotherapy and music therapy[2]
Ali ibn Sahl Rabban al-Tabari, pioneer of psychiatry, clinical psychiatry and clinical psychology[3]
Ahmed ibn Sahl al-Balkhi, pioneer of mental health,[4] medical psychology, cognitive psychology, cognitive therapy, psychophysiology and psychosomatic medicine[5]
Al-Farabi (Alpharabius), pioneer of social psychology and consciousness studies[6]
Ali ibn Abbas al-Majusi (Haly Abbas), pioneer of neuroanatomy, neurobiology and neurophysiology[6]
Abu al-Qasim al-Zahrawi (Abulcasis), pioneer of neurosurgery[7]
Ibn al-Haytham (Alhazen), founder of experimental psychology, psychophysics, phenomenology and visual perception[8]
Abū Rayhān al-Bīrūnī, pioneer of reaction time[9]
Avicenna (Ibn Sīnā), pioneer of neuropsychiatry,[KEYCAP TEN] thought experiment, self-awareness and self-consciousness[11]
Ibn Zuhr (Avenzoar), pioneer of neurology and neuropharmacology[7]
Averroes, pioneer of Parkinson's disease[7]
Ibn Tufail, pioneer of tabula rasa and nature versus nurture[12]
Mohammad Samir Hossain, a theorist,[13] author and one of the few Muslim scientists[14] in the field of Death anxiety (psychology) research.[13][15]
Congratulations!!
The first entry referencing the 20th century.
Mohammad Hossain is current. Of course his Wikipedia page says he is, "one of the few Muslim scientists..."
I'm not going to go through the rest of that page because it's pretty clear that 90% of the entries are about scientists that died before 1400.
For the scientists list advice start from the bottom from the modern ones.
As for our discussion I feel like we've reached the point where we're arguing for the sake of arguing so I'll just tell one thing give me a reference as ancient as quran giving these phases or remotely similar ones and u'll win.
(July 12, 2015 at 11:12 pm)huss88ein Wrote: As for our discussion I feel like we've reached the point where we're arguing for the sake of arguing so I'll just tell one thing give me a reference as ancient as quran giving these phases or remotely similar ones and u'll win.
Quote:In his work De motu musculorum, Galen explained the difference between motor and sensory nerves, discussed the concept of muscle tone, and explained the difference between agonists and antagonists.
I'll bet if you had a motor bundle and a sensory bundle side by side you couldn't tell which was which.
Though you would probably have had a hard time telling they were nerves with all the blood.
And good night.
So how, exactly, does God know that She's NOT a brain in a vat?
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