How to Prove Your Own Position without Trying Very Hard

[Jenny A]

And I'm quote mining Ehrman, O'Neill, and others so I don't have to re-invent the wheel every time an atheist says, "Show me the evidence." I will. click. click.

Are you sure you understand what quote mining is?  It's not finding cases in which figures of authority agree with you or cases in which your opponents agree with you.  It's using quotes out of context to misrepresent the views of the person quoted.  It's a common creationist tactic.  Darwin says evolution of the eye looks impossible, but here's how it could happen.  The quote miner says, Darwin himself admitted evolution of the eye is impossible.  In other words it's a rather ugly way of lying.  http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Quote_mining

[Randy Carson]

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[Randy Carson]

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[Randy Carson]

No, Mike. The more respected members of the forum are the ones who know the correct CATHOLIC ANSWERS to the many questions that are posed by Catholics and non-Catholics alike DAILY. It may surprise you, but my rather substantial library of copypasta has a purpose...to enable me to provide solid, orthodox Catholic Answers to real questions - in 6,000 characters or less - in only a few SECONDS. For example, just this week, I got a PM from someone active on an Orthodox board who wanted quotes from the ECF...um, Early Church Fathers regarding the keys given to Peter by Jesus. I had a few dozen that I sent over to him. Because I could.

Now, I don't copypasta as much here because there aren't as many questions being asked here, and because I've chosen to manage my time differently here. There, I can post one thing in a thread and move on, because there are so many other Catholics who are involved in the discussions. It's the Protestants and non-believers who are swarmed. Here I post one thing, and suddenly, I AM the the thread. I'm swarmed, and I have no backup. But it's cool. I'm learning how to manage the load. And I'm quote mining Ehrman, O'Neill, and others so I don't have to re-invent the wheel every time an atheist says, "Show me the evidence." I will. click. click.

Except you haven't. And your insistence on copy/pasting your posts instead of actually having a discussion with people is a large portion of the reason why you have gotten terrible reception here.

Except I haven't what?

And you say it's the copypasta and not the stout defense of Christianity that has gotten me in dutch with so many here?    

I never said I reported Kaninchen. I said she got suspended. Are you privy to some information about what motivated the mods at CAF? Are YOU Kaninchen?     jk

I didn't get that information from you, jackass. And yes, I am Kaninchen. The very same. I have hoodwinked the entire staff and am posing as the very same Jewess who has plagued you at the other forum until you reported her because she was making you look like a fool in front of the line of people waiting to prostrate themselves in front of you because you confirmed their bias in the form of 6,000 characters of copypasta which half of them didn't even read.

Well then, Kaninchen, you didn't have much of a response to Contarini, did you?  

C'mon, Mike...you obviously didn't think that I serioulsy thought you are Kaninchen. Man, you have been in a mood for weeks...

But yes, as you can see the mods at CAF do run their ship VERY differently. If you think that Kaninchen was suspended for a trifling, then ask yourself how is it that I've managed to NOT get banned or suspended in ten years there? Catholics get banned there, too, ya know...just look through the old threads for ample evidence of that. I've just taken on a different personna here...an edgier style that seems to match the carpet and the drapes. But I always try to mirror the tone of the person I'm talking to. Jenny, Jorm, Nemo...they're nice to me, so I'm nice to them. Others....not so much. And rather than getting into big pissing contests with some, I just ignore them. There are too many other people I'd rather talk to.

I have NO ONE on ignore at CAF. Let that sink in.

I don't fault you for having people on ignore. I'd imagine if I deigned to go to a religious forum for some reason, I'd probably have some people on ignore as well, if only to cut the chaff so I could respond. I do, however, fault you for continuously sniping at the staff and making childish, passive aggressive comments directed at the staff because this forum didn't suit you. I fault you for continuing to do it, even after multiple staff members acknowledged your complaint, and said it wasn't going to change. I fault you for whinging about people not being able to take a joke (this thread) when the entirety of your post count to this point has been condescending and officious---and we took this to just be yet another point in the catalog.

The parody of the OP was spot on, and the fact that so many people got pissed is because it cut a little too close to the quick for their comfort.

"This forum is not for the thin-skinned" or so I've been told.

But lock this thread if you think it's best. I won't mind a bit.

But, yes, it took me awhile to get used to the way things are done here, and I was not very happy about some things. But it's all good now. And I have not caused you any headaches recently, have I? (other than all the posts which are undoubtedly reported daily) So, I publicly thank you and all the staff for your forbearance. Hopefully, it was worth it, because I am now providing regular entertainment for all the troops. I mean, if it wasn't for me, you'd be stuck beating up on huggy and how long can you do that without getting bored? (No offense, huggy!)  

All told, Randy, yes, you have caused quite a few headaches of late. I won't post the report count publicly, I'll repeat it's non-zero.

I'm actually surprised, but it's a pity folks don't actually respond with arguments of their own instead of clicking the report button.

Well, that places you at Hawaii, Georgia Southern, or Navy. I have to say, I was not sure CPJ would survive this past year given the season they had two years ago, but they shocked a lot of folks. I absolutely love that offense.

I played safety for Navy for four years under PJ. (He was, by far, the highest paid person in the DoD) Coach Niumatololo took over for him for the 2007 bowl season.  I didn't get to play in the Army-Navy game that year because of a mangled knee from the very last defensive play in the Notre Dame game, where we beat ND for the first time in 47 years in triple OT. (Which I almost lost for us by biting HEAVY on play action then falling down when I tried to recover, and if it weren't for a dropped pass, I would have been the reason we lost.)

Well, let's build on this little bit of common interest and go forward with no hard feelings. Deal?

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[Randy Carson]

And I'm quote mining Ehrman, O'Neill, and others so I don't have to re-invent the wheel every time an atheist says, "Show me the evidence." I will. click. click.

Are you sure you understand what quote mining is?  It's not finding cases in which figures of authority agree with you or cases in which your opponents agree with you.  It's using quotes out of context to misrepresent the views of the person quoted.  It's a common creationist tactic.  Darwin says evolution of the eye looks impossible, but here's how it could happen.  The quote miner says, Darwin himself admitted evolution of the eye is impossible.  In other words it's a rather ugly way of lying.  http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Quote_mining

I know, Jenny. I'm intentionally using the phrase facetiously because some people object to the use of "proof-texts". The fact is that none of us have time to read as much as we would like. Highlighting the relevant passages is actually useful, but there will always be those who object.

[Randy Carson]

But that is not your style. You are a drive-by artist. Queen of the snarky one-liner. And how can we be sure of this? Because the reason you are even here is that your mouth finally got you suspended at CAF.

And yet, Randy, I've managed to remain a member of CAF for over eight years while not giving an inch on my beliefs and without causing uproar whenever I come across people who don't agree with me.

But you're not there now; you're here. And we know why. So, my point is made. You crossed a line and decided to take it up here.

Meanwhile, virtually everything you do turns into an 'omnishambles' and you seem to have an acute ability to annoy even those with similar beliefs.  When it's pointed out that it's what you do, what do you do?  You deny it and then immediately repeat it.

Well, I can't deny that without proving you right, now can I?

Let's see what the leader of your church said last week:

Such unity is already an act of mission, “that the world may believe”. Evangelization does not consist in proselytizing, but in attracting by our witness those who are far off, in humbly drawing near to those who feel distant from God and the Church, those who are fearful or indifferent, and saying to them: “The Lord, with great respect and love, is also calling you to be a part of his people” (Evangelii Gaudium, 113).

Where's the 'attracting by our witness', Randy?  Let's face it, you could start a fistfight in an amputee ward.

ZING! Perfectly played, Kaninchen. See, folks? What did I tell you? She is the master of the drive-by posting. Don't forget to call me a used car salesman. That's always been one of your favorites.

Oh, and the quote above from Evangelii Gaudium? Probably the first such quotation I've seen from you in years, K. Did you look that up just so you could FINALLY put an end to that drought?

But more seriously, forget about me for a moment - you've been at CAF for eight years "while not giving an inch on your beliefs." Okay, that deserves respect in that you are sticking to what you believe. Good for you. But are you saying that in all that time...all those man hours that you've spent in the forum...no one has "attracted you by their witness", Kaninchen? I mean, you're calling me on the carpet like I'm some kind of inferior Catholic or lousy Christian because you don't see anything attractive about my "mechanistic evidence" as you say in the paragraph below, but apparently you haven't seen anything attractive in the witness of any Catholic at CAF. And that becomes a little less plausible. So, is the problem REALLY with my heart, Kaninchen? Or is it yours?

You see, one of the first things I noticed about you is that you don't behave like a Catholic, you behave like a sub-Josh McDowell Protestant Evangelical with all that mechanistic 'evidence' and repetitive apologetics.  You say that I don't discuss your material but your lack of self-awareness is such that you don't appreciate that the reason people don't do that is that they eventually give up trying to do so because of the non-responsive nature of your replies and behaviour.

In order to have given up, Kaninchen, you have to have actually tried first. You've never had a substantive conversation with me. EVER. Remember the thread on whether or not Jesus fulfilled the Messianic prophecies of the OT? You wouldn't even engage in that. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but the prophets ought to be your sweet spot. (and just wait till a few of the ladies in this forum start going off about how G-d condones rape and genocide in the Hebrew Scriptures. It hasn't been Jews in here defending the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, that's for sure.

You know I'm not anti-Semitic. You know I am a big supporter of Israel and Netanyahu. (Is that a problem?) But seriously, what on earth is a European Jewess doing spending eight years in a Catholic APOLOGETICS forum without actually wanting to explain and defend your viewpoints? You never say anything...just snark, snark, snark. Every post is a cynical, acidic witticism. What an odd way to spend your free time.

But that's the past. Why are you here? Are you finally ready to talk with me?

[Longhorn]

Speaking of odd ways to spend your time......*cough**cough*

[Kaninchen]

ZING! Perfectly played, Kaninchen. See, folks? What did I tell you? She is the master of the drive-by posting. Don't forget to call me a used car salesman. That's always been one of your favorites.

I realise that it's a bit much to ask people here to read a bit of a Papal Exhortation but this is what the leader of Randy's Church recommends as evangelical methodology:
 

128. In this preaching, which is always respectful and gentle, the first step is personal dialogue, when the other person speaks and shares his or her joys, hopes and concerns for loved ones, or so many other heartfelt needs. Only afterwards is it possible to bring up God’s word, perhaps by reading a Bible verse or relating a story, but always keeping in mind the fundamental message: the personal love of God who became man, who gave himself up for us, who is living and who offers us his salvation and his friendship. This message has to be shared humbly as a testimony on the part of one who is always willing to learn, in the awareness that the message is so rich and so deep that it always exceeds our grasp. At times the message can be presented directly, at times by way of a personal witness or gesture, or in a way which the Holy Spirit may suggest in that particular situation. If it seems prudent and if the circumstances are right, this fraternal and missionary encounter could end with a brief prayer related to the concerns which the person may have expressed. In this way they will have an experience of being listened to and understood; they will know that their particular situation has been placed before God, and that God’s word really speaks to their lives.

 
Evangelii Gaudium

[Randy Carson]

ZING! Perfectly played, Kaninchen. See, folks? What did I tell you? She is the master of the drive-by posting. Don't forget to call me a used car salesman. That's always been one of your favorites.

I realise that it's a bit much to ask people here to read a bit of a Papal Exhortation but this is what the leader of Randy's Church recommends as evangelical methodology:
 

128. In this preaching, which is always respectful and gentle, the first step is personal dialogue, when the other person speaks and shares his or her joys, hopes and concerns for loved ones, or so many other heartfelt needs. Only afterwards is it possible to bring up God’s word, perhaps by reading a Bible verse or relating a story, but always keeping in mind the fundamental message: the personal love of God who became man, who gave himself up for us, who is living and who offers us his salvation and his friendship. This message has to be shared humbly as a testimony on the part of one who is always willing to learn, in the awareness that the message is so rich and so deep that it always exceeds our grasp. At times the message can be presented directly, at times by way of a personal witness or gesture, or in a way which the Holy Spirit may suggest in that particular situation. If it seems prudent and if the circumstances are right, this fraternal and missionary encounter could end with a brief prayer related to the concerns which the person may have expressed. In this way they will have an experience of being listened to and understood; they will know that their particular situation has been placed before God, and that God’s word really speaks to their lives.

 
Evangelii Gaudium

Indeed. Scripture itself says:

1 Peter 3:15
But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,

I'm almost always prepared to give an answer (that's an exhortation for apologetics, btw), but I struggle mightily with the gentleness and respect. I'm sure I'm going to be asked about it.

I guess we've had our say.

[Ravenshire]

Let's face it, you could start a fistfight in an amputee ward.

By their fruits shall they be known....