All Hail the Second Amendment

[Norman Humann]

“I didn’t know I was shooting him in the chest,” Wilson admitted. “I tried to shoot him lower. I don’t know nothing about guns, but I have to protect myself.”

Then why do you own one?

[Chas]

“I didn’t know I was shooting him in the chest,” Wilson admitted. “I tried to shoot him lower. I don’t know nothing about guns, but I have to protect myself.”

Then why do you own one?

Yes, that is a major problem that needs to be addressed.

[MechViking]

I feel like reducing poverty and improving education is a better deterrent to violent crime than removing guns. Removing the motivation to commit crime seems more important than just removing a tool.

[Minimalist]

For the umpteenth time, I'm not worried about "crime." I'm worried about the L-ARGO in the next house who sends a freedom missile through my window because he's too fucking stupid to unload his gun before he "cleans" it.

And then there are fools like this:

http://crooksandliars.com/2015/02/nj-res...r-actually

NJ Responsible Gun Owner Actually Prosecuted In Child-On-Child Shooting Death

A friend forwarded this to me because she knows how unusual it is that parents are actually charged in these "accidental shooting" cases. She's right -- but it shouldn't be so unusual. In most cases where someone's malignant neglect results in a death, those people are held accountable -- except when it comes to shooting deaths. Our spineless politicians have created a giant blind spot when it comes to negligence with guns. It's always a "tragic accident" that "no one could have foreseen." Geeze, when you see some of the crazy reasons they arrest people these days, it's kind of hard to buy into the "no one could have known" argument.

And I'm not surprised that this prosecution took place in New Jersey, because it's part of the Northeast urban corridor, where we have a much different relationship with guns than the rest of the country. But sadly, it still falls into the category of "news," because it so rarely happens:

[Chas]

For the umpteenth time, I'm not worried about "crime." I'm worried about the L-ARGO in the next house who sends a freedom missile through my window because he's too fucking stupid to unload his gun before he "cleans" it.

You are concerned with irresponsible gun owners, not responsible ones.

And you should be; we all should be.

[Minimalist]

Until the gun goes off, how do you know the difference? If, when a gun owner dies, he has not contributed in any way to the accidental discharge of a gun, I am prepared to honor him with the posthumous title Law-Abiding Responsible Gun Owner. Until that last breath, he's an accident waiting to happen. Humans are too careless and/or clumsy.

Here's another asshole who probably thinks she's a L-ARGO.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national...-1.2100978

A Florida toddler somehow got ahold of a gun and accidentally shot his sleeping mother in their home Monday morning.

Officers arrived at the house in Davie around 3:45 a.m. after a mother reported she was shot once in the leg, the Sun-Sentinel reports. She was rushed to the hospital to undergo surgery and remains there with non-life threatening injuries.

Oops.

[Chas]

Until the gun goes off, how do you know the difference? If, when a gun owner dies, he has not contributed in any way to the accidental discharge of a gun, I am prepared to honor him with the posthumous title Law-Abiding Responsible Gun Owner. Until that last breath, he's an accident waiting to happen. Humans are too careless and/or clumsy.

As are you driving a vehicle. I will honor you posthumously with the title "good driver". Until that last breath, you're an accident waiting to happen. Humans are too careless and/or clumsy.

[Minimalist]

Yep. Same principle applies.

Except cars are vital for our economy. Guns are not.

[Minimalist]

And another L-ARGO 2d Amendments herself to death. She's FREE.

http://www.idahostatesman.com/2015/02/04....html?rh=1

According to Police, the woman was talking on the phone with a relative while cleaning the 9-millimeter handgun when she shot herself.

[The Grand Nudger]

Until the gun goes off, how do you know the difference? If, when a gun owner dies, he has not contributed in any way to the accidental discharge of a gun, I am prepared to honor him with the posthumous title Law-Abiding Responsible Gun Owner. Until that last breath, he's an accident waiting to happen. Humans are too careless and/or clumsy.

-and machines have tolerance limits. Not having contributed to a single AD would be a poorer LARGO metric than having contributed to hundreds without a single injury. A Law Abiding Responsible Gun Owner doesn't hurt anyone even if there -is- an AD, because they operate their firearms as though there definitely will-be. The trouble, here, is that traditional gun culture has been replaced by an amateur gun toting arm of political ideology. All of the experiences that used to be tied to guns are being divorced from them so we end up with people who can;t operate the equipment because the first firearm they ever bought was a 357 or an AR-15 because some wingnut on the radio told them they were awesome (and also that they were sticking it to Obama/The Man by buying one). I've told you before, I have nothing in common with these people, I don't trust them with a Daisy any more than you do with their Peen Cannons. They are not responsible, they don't even approach responsible. SA responsible owner -will- contribute to an ad...as you said, people are careless/clumsy....but the first rule, the most important rule of gun ownership is -be mindful of the business end-. If theyre so careless, so clumsy, that they don;t think about where there gun is pointed...then they cant be trusted to operate a butterknife (regardless of how crucial to our economy a butterknife may be..and we don't exactly allow people to operate equipment just because it's crucial, no matter what that equipment is) - and certainly don't belong in the group I identify with.

The case in Jersey was awesome. Needs to happen everytime. It's on the books, there isn't a state in the us that you can't prosecute on those grounds. Bet they have laws regarding the storage of firearms in New Jersey as well (particularly in the presence of minors). In fact, I'm willing to bet that so many laws were broken that if there wasn't -as noted- an insane reluctance to enforce our laws...that the defendant would be facing felony charges...kind puts them out of the running the the LA portion of LARGO right off the bat, eh? I'd worry about felons with guns myself. I guess we'll just have to wait until some 5 year old black kid accidentally shoots a cop with an unsecured weapon to see the fullest extent of the law, eh?

(I know, it sounds shitty, to any observers...but that;s been a pretty good litmus test, historically, as far as what the laws actually are and what they allow...what gets leveraged against the disenfranchised when law enforcement itself is the claimant with a greivance)