AF Hall of Shame (Theist edition)

[pocaracas]

God never ever commits murder. God kills justly.

But Frodo, what about "Do not kill"? How isn't it hypocritical of God to kill, when he denies you it? And isn't all life sacred? Why is some people better to kill than others?

If I remember Drich's version correctly, it's "do not murder" and it only applies to "god's chosen people".
You can kill anyone that doesn't match that description.

[fr0d0]

God never ever commits murder. God kills justly.

But Frodo, what about "Do not kill"? How isn't it hypocritical of God to kill, when he denies you it? And isn't all life sacred? Why is some people better to kill than others?

Accepted mistranslation Kaye. The original says "Do not murder".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thou_shalt_not_kill

All life is sacred, I think so. Justice prevails. I don't think I, or you, would know enough to exact justice.

[Mystical]

Well frodo, I thought the unjust and evil part was implied in the baby smashing and womb ripping. Are you saying that any context would justify such an act when god himself states babies are innocents? The context of the womb ripping was that the parents were evil. The babies could have been adopted, raised "right" by gods people, and had a chance just like everyone else to choose their salvation. Instead god took their choice from them thus impeding upon his supposed claim of providing free will.

[Kayenneh]

If I remember Drich's version correctly, it's "do not murder" and it only applies to "god's chosen people".
You can kill anyone that doesn't match that description.

There is two problems I have with that.

If God indeed is real, we need a good definition of what he/it is. Most of my youth pastors said "God is love" and I kind of like that. But if he is love, where does all the killing come from? Euthanasia might be a form of love, but it's unfair to be murdered just because you weren't born of 'God's people'.

And talking about that, who is the chosen people of god? It used to be jews, then Jesus and his pupils, and now it's seems to be 'Muricans. Though, borders and nationality hasn't stopped people before from justifying them killing others

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All life is sacred, I think so.

And once more, this is why I like you Frods

[fr0d0]

There is two problems I have with that.

If God indeed is real, we need a good definition of what he/it is. Most of my youth pastors said "God is love" and I kind of like that. But if he is love, where does all the killing come from? Euthanasia might be a form of love, but it's unfair to be murdered just because you weren't born of 'God's people'.

And talking about that, who is the chosen people of god? It used to be jews, then Jesus and his pupils, and now it's seems to be 'Muricans. Though, borders and nationality hasn't stopped people before from justifying them killing others

"Gods people" are people who choose to live. Wether they are religious, or have even heard anything of religion at all. By "live" I mean choose positivity, and deny what would limit their lives. This is potential.

So it's not 'murder'. It's suicide.

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Well frodo, I thought the unjust and evil part was implied in the baby smashing and womb ripping. Are you saying that any context would justify such an act when god himself states babies are innocents? The context of the womb ripping was that the parents were evil. The babies could have been adopted, raised "right" by gods people, and had a chance just like everyone else to choose their salvation. Instead god took their choice from them thus impeding upon his supposed claim of providing free will.

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You and I are not God, so you and I are incapable of judging.

[pocaracas]

If I remember Drich's version correctly, it's "do not murder" and it only applies to "god's chosen people".
You can kill anyone that doesn't match that description.

There is two problems I have with that.

If God indeed is real, we need a good definition of what he/it is. Most of my youth pastors said "God is love" and I kind of like that. But if he is love, where does all the killing come from? Euthanasia might be a form of love, but it's unfair to be murdered just because you weren't born of 'God's people'.

However, we have no such "good definition", do we?
Hebrews have one.
Jews have another.
Christians have another.
Muslims have another.
Hindus have a bunch of them.
etc
etc
etc

which is right?!

And talking about that, who is the chosen people of god? It used to be jews, then Jesus and his pupils, and now it's seems to be 'Muricans. Though, borders and nationality hasn't stopped people before from justifying them killing others

Why, silly, obviously, each group of people that believe in a given god, is that god's chosen people.

[Mystical]

Kayenneh..only two problems with that? I can think of more. In any case Drich has a reply for that, he says god doesn't love everyone just his children who are washed in the blood of salvation. He's told me that punishing your own kids does not equal punishing strangers kids which is what he considers nonbelievers to be. God isn't harsh he protects his 'children', and anything he does to nonbelievers is justified because we aren't his children.
I'm sorta confused on how some say god is love when the Bible says god hates things too. Or how if we aren't all god's children then why were we all made in his image by him then disowned?

[Kayenneh]

Kayenneh..only two problems with that?

Yup. I'm drunk. My brain can at the moment only balance two ideas at once

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Why, silly, obviously, each group of people that believe in a given god, is that god's chosen people.

So it's the people's chosen god, not the other way around.. Oh, I see!

[pocaracas]

Why, silly, obviously, each group of people that believe in a given god, is that god's chosen people.

So it's the people's chosen god, not the other way around.. Oh, I see!

That's it... see it that way!

[Mystical]

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Well frodo, I thought the unjust and evil part was implied in the baby smashing and womb ripping. Are you saying that any context would justify such an act when god himself states babies are innocents? The context of the womb ripping was that the parents were evil. The babies could have been adopted, raised "right" by gods people, and had a chance just like everyone else to choose their salvation. Instead god took their choice from them thus impeding upon his supposed claim of providing free will.

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You and I are not God, so you and I are incapable of judging.

Yes but god did judge who are innocent and babies are one of those. Its in the Bible. So he killed innocents when he ordered the babies torn from the wombs.