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RE: Black People - Stop Blaming Racism, Take Responsibility
April 30, 2015 at 7:04 am
(April 29, 2015 at 5:04 pm)Napoléon Wrote: (April 29, 2015 at 4:48 pm)Nestor Wrote: Sure, but I still disagree with that. These people have every right to be angry, and their pain is real---add insult to injury by stripping them of wealth, power, and opportunity, and what would anyone expect to be the result? That cause for the rioting, from my limited perspective, is not that they're bad people or looking for trouble, it's that they're fed up with the disrespect of the entire system and are fighting back the only way they can that will have any substantial impact.
They have every right to be angry.
They don't have every right to go out robbing innocent people, looting stores, cutting firehose lines etc.
That's not to say a response like what is happening isn't to be expected. Or that it's not a likely outcome, but it doesn't make it anymore justified.
And ofcourse, it's only a minority making the news for causing a ruckus. But as I said countless times before, the actual cause gets lost completely when a few douches ruin it for everyone else.
Nobody is arguing to act out in destructive ways. STILL not an excuse for the entire country to ignore decade after decade the CONDITIONS that lead to these events.
It is really no different than understanding it was stupid for the Allies after WW1 to leave Germany to rot. No one is making excuses here. We also know what causes hurricanes too, and by knowing that we can work to get out of the way and build better building codes to insure minimal damage.
Blacks don't want the crime. Blacks don't like the poverty or lack of opportunity. "Just do it" is a bullshit attitude and this isn't just about blacks to a growing degree now, the pay gap is growing to hurt everyone even more. Without investment in good pay and investment in society, poverty hurts everyone.
I am sick of this crap that we ignore that the economy hurts blacks more than other groups. The reason we are still seeing crap that should have ended during the civil rights movement even today, is because we are allowing one class to divide middle class whites and poor whites against middle class blacks and poor blacks.
LETS focus on the assholes causing the pay gap and end corporate welfare.
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RE: Black People - Stop Blaming Racism, Take Responsibility
April 30, 2015 at 7:37 am
(April 29, 2015 at 11:20 pm)Minimalist Wrote: That no one gives a shit what you condemn.
OK, well I don't give a shit if you don't give a shit. Why are you acting like such a child? Tell me, what was your actual point in your comments to me? Felt like throwing a tantrum?
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RE: Black People - Stop Blaming Racism, Take Responsibility
April 30, 2015 at 7:40 am
(April 30, 2015 at 7:37 am)Bad Wolf Wrote: (April 29, 2015 at 11:20 pm)Minimalist Wrote: That no one gives a shit what you condemn.
OK, well I don't give a shit if you don't give a shit. Why are you acting like such a child? Tell me, what was your actual point in your comments to me? Felt like throwing a tantrum?
I've been following Minimalists posts for quite a few years now, don't confuse bluntness with acting like a child. The real children in all this are the rich and the right wing. Those brats play victim when no one is telling them anything beyond the point of they are not the center of the universe. Sane people are simply getting tired of their bullshit.
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RE: Black People - Stop Blaming Racism, Take Responsibility
April 30, 2015 at 7:41 am
Go to page 14 where he first responds to me, then you might understand
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'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
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RE: Black People - Stop Blaming Racism, Take Responsibility
April 30, 2015 at 8:02 am
Um no, you are focused on you, not his message. This is not about you. I have seen this pattern of behavior all over the net outside this board. Someone gets blunt, and the person who reads it is more concerned with word choice than message.
Now, I am going to say this outside your personal beef with Minimalist.
The real welfare queens are Corporate America. That is what our society has been ignoring and why the races are divided.
I get the same reaction from Muslims and Jews and Christians when you are blunt with them saying that religion is why you are divided. Sometimes you get to the point where you get blunt.
The sane are simply getting tired of being polite. If we were not seeing the same shit in the news decade after decade we would not be having this argument. The best thing to do is LISTEN and work or get out of the way. What will not happen is perpetuating the status quo.
THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOU. I can tell you personally I do end up hating individuals who take it personally. Now if you really think Minimalist is wrong, instead of focusing on the word choices, make your own arguments. But don't think even outside this particular board you can paint someone into a corner to get them to conform to you.
You can only control your own responses to others, you cannot control what they say to you. The only ones here with any real rights to regulate conduct are the admins.
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April 30, 2015 at 8:14 am
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(April 30, 2015 at 7:41 am)Bad Wolf Wrote: Go to page 14 where he first responds to me, then you might understand
Similar tempers tend to clash? 
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RE: Black People - Stop Blaming Racism, Take Responsibility
April 30, 2015 at 8:20 am
No, he replied to me with an picture of some white people rioting, I asked what his point was, and he said his point was that no one gives a shit what I condemn. That clearly wasn't the point of posting the picture because I said I condemned it after he posted the picture. So he didn't actually reply to my question, he just wanted to argue
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'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
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RE: Black People - Stop Blaming Racism, Take Responsibility
April 30, 2015 at 8:24 am
The more I observe our species behaviors the more it ticks me off that we seem to go about peace the wrong way. We get so bent on getting offended and most of our species progress is precisely because someone thought the status quo sucked.
You are not going to force humans to only say nice things 100% of the time. The real compassion isn't in preventing that, the real compassion is in how you respond when you get offended, not in trying to prevent it.
If the rich were doing the right thing, no one would be complaining. If the religious right were correct gays would not be oppressed. I am glad humans dare to call out their bullshit, if we never did that we would still be living in the dark ages where religion controlled all the wealth and minorities would be forced to live in silence or be arrested or murdered by the state.
So if my blasphemy and cussing gets people to pull their heads out of their asses, I am going to do just that. Right now in this point in history, the rich are fucking up and the right wing in America are simply bat shit nuts.
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RE: Black People - Stop Blaming Racism, Take Responsibility
April 30, 2015 at 8:27 am
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(April 30, 2015 at 8:02 am)Brian37 Wrote: Um no, you are focused on you, not his message. This is not about you. I have seen this pattern of behavior all over the net outside this board. Someone gets blunt, and the person who reads it is more concerned with word choice than message.
What? I never said it was about me, I'm not trying to prove a point. He said something in reply to my comments, which I didn't understand, and then all but refused to explain himself when asked.
Quote:Now, I am going to say this outside your personal beef with Minimalist.
The real welfare queens are Corporate America. That is what our society has been ignoring and why the races are divided.
I get the same reaction from Muslims and Jews and Christians when you are blunt with them saying that religion is why you are divided. Sometimes you get to the point where you get blunt.
He didn't tell me his point, that's the thing i'm pissed off with here.
Quote:The sane are simply getting tired of being polite. If we were not seeing the same shit in the news decade after decade we would not be having this argument. The best thing to do is LISTEN and work or get out of the way. What will not happen is perpetuating the status quo.
THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOU. I can tell you personally I do end up hating individuals who take it personally. Now if you really think Minimalist is wrong, instead of focusing on the word choices, make your own arguments. But don't think even outside this particular board you can paint someone into a corner to get them to conform to you.
What am I supposed to think Minimalist is wrong about? Have you even read this thread? What the fuck is all this 'it's not about you' 'stop trying to make people conform' shit coming from? All I wanted was an explanation from him. What was the point of posting that picture of white people rioting, in response to my comment? That is literally all I want to know, there is nothing else going on.
Quote:You can only control your own responses to others, you cannot control what they say to you. The only ones here with any real rights to regulate conduct are the admins.
What the actual fuck? Where exactly have I intimated that I want to control what people say?
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
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RE: Black People - Stop Blaming Racism, Take Responsibility
April 30, 2015 at 8:34 am
(April 30, 2015 at 8:20 am)Bad Wolf Wrote: No, he replied to me with an picture of some white people rioting, I asked what his point was, and he said his point was that no one gives a shit what I condemn. That clearly wasn't the point of posting the picture because I said I condemned it after he posted the picture. So he didn't actually reply to my question, he just wanted to argue
No, you missed his point, like far too many do. Blacks get treated differently. That will not change unless you stop ignoring it.
There is a long term issue going on, something Minimalist and I and sane people and blacks get. You have yet to get it or you wouldn't have responded to his example with the status quo ignorance that still persists.
You got stuck in the moment, Minimalist and I are not stuck in the moment. Pull your head out of your ass and look at the totality of the history of economics and race in this country. When you do that you will understand his post in response to you.
Point is there really is no argument to be had, just far to many still defending that which should not be defended.
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