Atheism the unscientific belief (part one, two, and three)

[Jenny A]

Definitions for science from various sources:

Science is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe. In an older and closely related meaning, "science" also refers to this body of knowledge itself, of the type that can be rationally explained and reliably applied.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science

knowledge or a system of knowledge covering general truths or the operation of general laws especially as obtained and tested through scientific method.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/science

The intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/defini...sh/science

Notice that they all include experimentation, prediction, and testing.  Science is an empirical branch of knowledge testable in the real world.

[ErGingerbreadMandude]

[Little Rik]

So, according to you it is more important where the source come from than whether the source make sense or not?
I would have thought you are a little bit smarter than that Pinky.

Science as we know it had an extremely slow start, but long about the 1100s is when you really start to get people thinking and working like modern scientists, and from that point on there's an explosion of knowledge that eventually drives world religions to dire means just to stay afloat (as indicated by the modern state of apologetics and the fact that in the Western world it's no longer appropriate to torture and slaughter "infidels.")

You say....1100s.
I say 7000 years ago.
Sure, we are all guessing as evidence doesn't come easy after so long.
Look at the ayurvedic science just to mention one.
It is so old that nobody really knows how old it is.
Some say 5000 years old, other say 7000 and Shiva is the inventor.
And what about the 7 notes.
Also the music is a science and again according to the legend it was Shiva that gave them to humanity.

I don't give a butt whether you are interested or not.
The reality is very clear.
Science started long long before this modern world and science always refer to a system of acquiring knowledge without limits about the source of knowledge.

No, again, that would be philosophy. Philosophy is the study (or any particular study) of ideas about knowledge, truth, the meaning of life, etc. It doesn't generally concern itself with actual evidence unless a specific philosophy calls for it (whereas science, on the other hand, DOES). The word you're looking for is "philosophy" if you refuse to use one like "superstition" or "religion."

Pinky, you haven't got the slightest clue about the meaning of philosophy so please refrain from using this word
until you make some progress in this field. 

There is no such a thing as the actual science.
Science is one and the meaning of this word is one whether is in the modern English or the old Sanskrit.

So what's the word for "science" in Old Sanskrit, then?

http://spokensanskrit.de/index.php?scrip...rection=ES

Yoga is not a religion and has never been crushed by anybody.
On the other hand a lot of physical so called evidence has been crushed and end up in the
rubbish bin of history.  

Yoga: a Hindu spiritual and ascetic discipline, a part of which, including breath control, simple meditation, and the adoption of specific bodily postures, is widely practiced for health and relaxation.
Key words: Hindu, spiritual, ascetic
Ok, if you don't want to call it a standalone religion, it's at least a component to a religion. I realize people can do Yoga exercise without being Hindu or even considering the spiritual component, but that doesn't dismiss the fact that you seem to be using the term in some spiritual sense when it comes up, and spirituality is pretty much a supernaturalist thing. Naturalists concern themselves with positive mental health instead of fictional mental health. Spirituality, like god, deliberately dodges scientific scrutiny, which is a pretty good earmark of something that's unlikely to exist in the non-imaginary sense.

Once again you haven't got the slightest clue about yoga and Hinduism
so please refrain from making guessing after guessing.
Yoga is pure spirituality while Hinduism is a religion.
Yoga came first and Hinduism follow but after so long pure spirituality changed 
and gave way to ritualism which in practice is worth next to nothing. 

[Little Rik]

Definitions for science from various sources:

Science is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe. In an older and closely related meaning, "science" also refers to this body of knowledge itself, of the type that can be rationally explained and reliably applied.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science

knowledge or a system of knowledge covering general truths or the operation of general laws especially as obtained and tested through scientific method.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/science

The intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/defini...sh/science

Notice that they all include experimentation, prediction, and testing.  Science is an empirical branch of knowledge testable in the real world.

Science is not only about the universe.
There is the science of music of medicine and so on and on and on but the most important science
is the science that give the most important solution to human problem and that science is called
intuitional science or the science that make you realize who you really are.  

[Longhorn]

Intuitional science is only a thing in yoga, Rikky -_-

[Homeless Nutter]

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Yoga is pure spirituality while Hinduism is a religion.
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Isn't yoga that thing people do when they put their own genitals in their mouths? Yeah - I'm pretty sure that's what it is.

If not - please Little Rik, teach us - what  do you call it, when you put your penis into your mouth? Is THAT Hinduism?

     

[Jenny A]

Science is not only about the universe.
There is the science of music of medicine and so on and on and on but the most important science
is the science that give the most important solution to human problem and that science is called
intuitional science or the science that make you realize who you really are.  

As you've just defined science as all areas human thought, have could any human possibly be unscientific by your ridiculously expansive definition?

BTW: intuitional science is an oxymoron though you could use the scientific method to study whether and how intuition works.

[ErGingerbreadMandude]

I'll give the readers of this thread a summary of what exactly is going on here through an example.

Consider a subject such as History.
We are saying that History isn't science because well,it isn't.

Rik is saying that History is science,in the sense that any subject involved in History such as people,rocks,chairs,trains etc can all be "explained" using scientific methods.
In that sense,anything can be science since anything can be explained using at least some scientific methods.

Basically this is an argument where Rik is arguing some "Spiritual" thing he believes in is a science(albeit a "higher" science) in the sense that some of the things involved in this "Spirituality" dogpoop can be explained using some (most probably -not widely accepted) scientific methods.

Edit:
Actually,anything can be classified as science or art - A classification of Management as a Science and Art we had to study comes to mind.A subject can be categorized as a science or art if we weigh it and figure out in which end of the spectrum it falls closest to.
For example:

1+1 = 2. Can be classified as Mathematics as well as an art.
Art in the sense that people do this and people are artistic and bla bla bla that sort of bullshit.
But it falls closer to the spectrum of Mathematics therefore we can classify it as Mathematics rather than art.

What i want to say to Rik is that what he explains as science falls closer to an unscientific methods spectrum and therefore cannot be taken seriously as a science.

[Homeless Nutter]

I'll give the readers of this thread a summary of what exactly is going on here through an example.
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I believe I can summarize this thread in one sentence:

Little Rik thinks "magic" is "science" and everyone else is just wasting their time...

[Mudhammam]

I'll give the readers of this thread a summary of what exactly is going on here through an example.

Consider a subject such as History.
We are saying that History isn't science because well,it isn't.

History proper is too a science.