Atheism the unscientific belief (part one, two, and three)

[Redbeard The Pink]

Redman, you call yourself a bad person?
You're a better person than I'll ever be.
I just don't know where you get the motivation and the energy to argue with these types...

My power stems from my bottomless well of hate...a Wizard's hate...

Wizards make pretty terrible people to begin with, but I wouldn't necessarily call myself a bad person...mostly I'm just really mean...

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So, according to you it is more important where the source come from than whether the source make sense or not?
I would have thought you are a little bit smarter than that Pinky.

Ohoho don't get me wrong...that shit didn't make sense, either.


For one thing, this word you keep using...science...in the instance of what facebook man is talking about, he should probably really be using one of the following words: pseudoscience, superstition, religion, philosophy...maybe one of those would fit better. Science as we know it had an extremely slow start, but long about the 1100s is when you really start to get people thinking and working like modern scientists, and from that point on there's an explosion of knowledge that eventually drives world religions to dire means just to stay afloat (as indicated by the modern state of apologetics and the fact that in the Western world it's no longer appropriate to torture and slaughter "infidels.")

I don't give a butt whether you are interested or not.
The reality is very clear.
Science started long long before this modern world and science always refer to a system of acquiring knowledge without limits about the source of knowledge.

No, again, that would be philosophy. Philosophy is the study (or any particular study) of ideas about knowledge, truth, the meaning of life, etc. It doesn't generally concern itself with actual evidence unless a specific philosophy calls for it (whereas science, on the other hand, DOES). The word you're looking for is "philosophy" if you refuse to use one like "superstition" or "religion."

There is no such a thing as the actual science.
Science is one and the meaning of this word is one whether is in the modern English or the old Sanskrit.

So what's the word for "science" in Old Sanskrit, then?

Yoga is not a religion and has never been crushed by anybody.
On the other hand a lot of physical so called evidence has been crushed and end up in the
rubbish bin of history.  

Yoga: a Hindu spiritual and ascetic discipline, a part of which, including breath control, simple meditation, and the adoption of specific bodily postures, is widely practiced for health and relaxation.


Key words: Hindu, spiritual, ascetic


Ok, if you don't want to call it a standalone religion, it's at least a component to a religion. I realize people can do Yoga exercise without being Hindu or even considering the spiritual component, but that doesn't dismiss the fact that you seem to be using the term in some spiritual sense when it comes up, and spirituality is pretty much a supernaturalist thing. Naturalists concern themselves with positive mental health instead of fictional mental health. Spirituality, like god, deliberately dodges scientific scrutiny, which is a pretty good earmark of something that's unlikely to exist in the non-imaginary sense.

[ErGingerbreadMandude]

The only thing you're doing is playing word games Rik.

Word games is an interesting concept Pool.
Suppose that at the end of your evolutionary journey you merge in the ocean of cosmic consciousness
and become one with God.
What would you think about today when you are saying that ..........badass unicorn.....
I mean how can you be not playing word games by believing that there is a separation between you and God and then find yourself as God.
Is not that now you pretend that a drop of water can be stopped from entering the ocean because a separation is the norm? 
Where you got the idea that there got to be a separation? 

[Cyberman]

Which would be fine if he knew how words actually work.

[Redbeard The Pink]

Which would be fine if he knew how words actually work.

"What do you MEAN I can't make up my own definitions?! ANCIENT INDIA!!!"

[Lucanus]

Notice me senpai

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I agree that all this appear like rubbish to someone who relate everything to a science that deal
with the physical world.
Unfortunately for you your idea of man as an entity made only of physicality does not exist.

Or does it? Why should I believe this? What are the facts that make you say this?

Also, that does not appear rubbish to me because I "relate everything" to naturalistic science. I would be really happy to learn that there is a whole new plane of reality to explore and tap into - but where's the evidence? I simply don't want to be deceived.

Man is a lot more than a physical entity therefore he also need something else that is not
physical.

Or is it? Hell, how do you even prove the existence of something that is not physical? Why don't you ever give a shred of evidence for what you say?

To me what is important is not whether Shiva existed or not although i believe he did exist.
What i value most is whether these teaching are working or not in the sense that they give result.
And guess what Luc?
They do work.  

And here lies your fundamental error - the "teachings" you believe in might work. Sure, they might. But it doesn't mean that they are right.

Now, suppose we're two ancient Romans, living in a villa in the countryside near Naples. One day, you get a fever. So, I go to the woods nearby, to the white willow tree, and take some of its bark to make an extract. While preparing the willow tree extract I say my prayers to Esculapius, and then I give it to you to drink.
On the next day, you wake up, and, lo and behold, the temperature's gone! Obviously, Esculapius has listened to my prayers and blessed the holy extract. The method has worked, therefore Esculapius must be true.

Turns out, though, that this kind of reasoning ("Post hoc ergo propter hoc", to use some gratuitous Latin) is wrong and fallacious.

In fact, today, with our understanding of chemistry and physiology, we know that the curative properties of the willow bark extract are not blessings of Esculapius, but instead the result of the chemical properties of one of the components of the extract (salicilic acid) that we still use today, albeit with a little modification to reduce its toxicity, as the Aspirin.

The fact that something works does not imply that the explanation you are giving for it is correct, as there might be some other explanations that work too. If you think your explanation is correct, then prove it. This is how science works in general, not just "physical science".

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[Little Rik]

So let me get this straight.The argument has boiled down to:
What is science?
Rik is saying science originated in India or whatever and what they think or said is science - is science.
Can Rik provide a coherent definition of his definition of science?

Rik already provided a .........coherent definition of the word science when he say.....science is a system of acquiring knowledge without limits about the source of knowledge but pool didn't take any notice of it.

On a side note,it is a total waste to discuss the origin of the word and its 100 year old history.

Good, let us see the evidence that the word science has got only 100 years of history.  

[ErGingerbreadMandude]

So let me get this straight.The argument has boiled down to:
What is science?
Rik is saying science originated in India or whatever and what they think or said is science - is science.
Can Rik provide a coherent definition of his definition of science?

Rik already provided a .........coherent definition of the word science when he say.....science is a system of acquiring knowledge without limits about the source of knowledge but pool didn't take any notice of it.

Science is a system of acquiring knowledge without limits on the source of knowledge.

That's a nice definition of science - Not.
Explain to me how you would go about to acquiring knowledge.

[Kingpin]

Further how science has "no limits"

[robvalue]

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