Hello, i am a real Christian

[Minimalist]

That's nothing compared to the fuck-ups in the buy-bull itself.

[Zen Badger]

My questions too hard TC?

[True Christian]

My questions too hard TC?

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actually, i have life-altering exams in 4 days and i cannot spend hours every day answering every question that i get, sorry. I try, but these forums, as interesting as they are, do not take priority over real life.

[Zen Badger]

My questions too hard TC?

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actually, i have life-altering exams in 4 days and i cannot spend hours every day answering every question that i get, sorry. I try, but these forums, as interesting as they are, do not take priority over real life.

Indeed.

Especially the ones you don't have answers for.

[Minimalist]

http://www.gnosis.org/thomasbook/ch9.html

Marcion wished to purge Christianity of its pervasive Jewish influence and took Paul's somewhat ambivalent rejection of "the law" to a logical conclusion. The Jews' sacred books, he taught, were of no concern to Christians. If the Jews wished to worship their ancient tribal god, that was their affair. But the God who smote and slaughtered Israel's enemies, threatened his own worshipers with dire punishment if they were disobedient, prescribed circumcision for males and odd laws for the governance of daily life, and described himself as jealous, could not be the God of Christians. (Harnack himself came to the view that, whatever practical reasons Christians might have had for retaining the Old Testament in the second century, and again at the time of the Protestant Reformation in the sixteenth, by the nineteenth century they ought not to regard it as part of their own holy writ: its continuance in the Christian bible could lead to an emphasis on "righteousness" and rigorous legalism instead of mercy and love.)

According to Irenaeus, Marcion called the Old Testament God "the creator of evils, lustful for war, inconstant in his attitude, and self-contradictory." Irenaeus exaggerated; Marcion apparently accepted that Jews had spiritually benefited as dutiful children of the lesser God, but reproved them for being deaf to the new Christian dispensation.

Marcion taught that the creator-lawgiver archon or demiurge who had created this world was a far lesser power than the true God, the Father of Truth, the ineffable, unknowable Stranger God who had sent Christ as a spiritual messenger to show humankind the path back to its true spiritual home through love. Jesus was a man like any other, who was endowed with the Spirit by the true Father when John baptized him in the River Jordan. Tertullian, the second-century Roman lawyer-theologian from Carthage, wrote that in Marcion's view the real Christ could not have taken on a material body and become a human being in the created world, for such a body would have been "stuffed with excrement."

[campenney]

I am not here to convert you all, just to remind you that religion is not as harmful as you seem to think

Really?
How about 9/11, Jonestown, Davis Koresh, Timothy Mcvay, The Cathlolic church (Pedophilia, Helping NAZIS escape Germany after WW2). I could go on but it seems to me that religion has done pleanty bad to the world. If it were not for extremists, I would have no problem with religion, I would not be a beliver but would have no problem with it.

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I just think it is ridiculous that people have died and are dieing over beings and thoughts that can not be quantified or proven what so ever. Lawmakers are making laws based on fables from a book that has no historical base what so ever.

[Minimalist]

You're going to fit right in, C/P.

[True Christian]

My questions too hard TC?

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actually, i have life-altering exams in 4 days and i cannot spend hours every day answering every question that i get, sorry. I try, but these forums, as interesting as they are, do not take priority over real life.

Indeed.

Especially the ones you don't have answers for.

Thing is, im pretty sure that in your head you have already branded me as someone who ignores difficult questions, making me a hypocrit. It is easier for you to see me that way, because by making me a hypocrit you dont have to think about my answers, since they will all be lies in your eyes. It is EXACTLY what fundamentalist Christians do towards atheists. They see them as sinners, so they dont have to think about what they say, sinners being always wrong.
It is that presumption from both sides, the presumption that no matter what happens, YOU are the righteous one and the other side is always wrong in every possible way, that makes the dialogue between believers and non-believers very hard.

You dont know me, there are a thousand reasons why i wouldnt answer every question i was asked, but you immediately assumed i was avoiding them.

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I am not here to convert you all, just to remind you that religion is not as harmful as you seem to think

Really?
How about 9/11, Jonestown, Davis Koresh, Timothy Mcvay, The Cathlolic church (Pedophilia, Helping NAZIS escape Germany after WW2). I could go on but it seems to me that religion has done pleanty bad to the world. If it were not for extremists, I would have no problem with religion, I would not be a beliver but would have no problem with it.

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I just think it is ridiculous that people have died and are dieing over beings and thoughts that can not be quantified or proven what so ever. Lawmakers are making laws based on fables from a book that has no historical base what so ever.

Look at my post, and look at the posts afterwards. I never denied the evil that has come our of religion. However if you looks at the big picture, it really is a small number. 9/11 ? 3000 dead. Jonestown ? a thousand. However, Christianity has, since its creation, helped people, given food to the poor, encouraged charity, protected the helpless. For over a thousand years, Christian monks and priests were the ones who dispensed ALL the education and ALL the medecine in Europe.

The extremists are an incedibly small number of christians, in the order of 0.01%.

Cars, cigarettes, bad food, lack of gun control, all of these things kill in numbers that make the killings of religion laughable, however we are okay with it, because we think it is a small price to pay for all the things we get in return. Same goes for Christianity, i know it has done some wrongs, but to me more good than evil has come out of religion.

[Zen Badger]

Thing is, im pretty sure that in your head you have already branded me as someone who ignores difficult questions, making me a hypocrit. It is easier for you to see me that way, because by making me a hypocrit you dont have to think about my answers, since they will all be lies in your eyes. It is EXACTLY what fundamentalist Christians do towards atheists. They see them as sinners, so they dont have to think about what they say, sinners being always wrong.
It is that presumption from both sides, the presumption that no matter what happens, YOU are the righteous one and the other side is always wrong in every possible way, that makes the dialogue between believers and non-believers very hard.

You dont know me, there are a thousand reasons why i wouldnt answer every question i was asked, but you immediately assumed i was avoiding them.

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You could've used all those words to actually answer my questions.

And you didn't...........

What other conclusion could I come to?

[campenney]

small number. 9/11 ? 3000 dead. Jonestown ? a thousand.

I forgot to mention the crusades...theres another 200,000 dead for an GOD that does not exist.

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Think about this, we are killing people, making laws, infringing on rights, extorting money from people and much more; all over what really boils down to a child's story that is laced with magic and wizardry. Might as well pray to Harry Potter.