Dear stupid: how many times does the earth rotate in a year?

[Alex K]

But - An undeniable fact does not necessarily have to be a proof for anything. It is a matter of statistics that you will most likely find something in a big book that will resemble some modern scientific hypothesis. There are so many possibilities on both sides (remember: you don't fix which scientific hypothesis you want to recover in the quran beforehand, and you don't fix beforehand where or how you expect to find it), and this proliferation of possibilities will ensure that you will find some coincidences that seem to match some scientific fact. That's why in real science such as physics, one needs to specify before the measurement what exactly the question is and what would constitute a "proof" (I am using this word very losely here), and only *then* are you allowed to make the measurement, and are forbidden to change the criteria afterwards.

So my question is are these statements that I made from the Qur'an, are they true, factual, statements? If they are not then all I'm saying is prove it to me. Show me why they're incorrect. If u can't then I just say u don't wanna believe which is fine with me. But its the truth and for whatever reason u just don't wanna believe it. It's as simple as me saying the sun is hot. Now it feels way and has been proven as such, but some people for whatever reason might not believe it. But if u can't prove it as untrue then ur only defense in why u don't believe it is because u just don't want to. Which again is totally fine

You have written so many pages, let's do it like this if you like: Would you isolate one single statement (not too long) from the Quran you think is a miraculous confirmation of a scientific fact, and maybe *briefly* give an argument why you think it is proof of your faith. Remember, as I said above, something being a scientific fact and something being proof that the Quran contains miracles are two different things.
I will then try and respond to that specific example.

[Sheed1980]

So my question is are these statements that I made from the Qur'an, are they true, factual, statements? If they are not then all I'm saying is prove it to me. Show me why they're incorrect. If u can't then I just say u don't wanna believe which is fine with me. But its the truth and for whatever reason u just don't wanna believe it. It's as simple as me saying the sun is hot. Now it feels way and has been proven as such, but some people for whatever reason might not believe it. But if u can't prove it as untrue then ur only defense in why u don't believe it is because u just don't want to. Which again is totally fine

You have written so many pages, let's do it like this if you like: Would you isolate one single statement (not too long) from the Quran you think is a miraculous confirmation of a scientific fact, and maybe *briefly* give an argument why you think it is proof of your faith. Remember, as I said above, something being a scientific fact and something being proof that the Quran contains miracles are two different things.
I will then try and respond to that specific example.

Ok I think I follow u. Let's try this one. Now remember 7th century microscopes, x-rays etc did not yet exist. Allah says in detail in the creation of man in the embryo on this webpage http://scienceislam.com/quran_human_embr...pment.php. Now u have to also take notice that the size of an embryo is about the size of a grain of rice. So with the precise description of this small life inside a woman's womb describe precise to the "T" in the stages of its growing. In a time period when microscopes and sonograms didn't exist who but the Creator of the Universe could've had this knowledge?

[Alex K]

You have written so many pages, let's do it like this if you like: Would you isolate one single statement (not too long) from the Quran you think is a miraculous confirmation of a scientific fact, and maybe *briefly* give an argument why you think it is proof of your faith. Remember, as I said above, something being a scientific fact and something being proof that the Quran contains miracles are two different things.
I will then try and respond to that specific example.

Ok I think I follow u. Let's try this one. Now remember 7th century microscopes, x-rays etc did not yet exist. Allah says in detail in the creation of man in the embryo on this webpage http://scienceislam.com/quran_human_embr...pment.php. Now u have to also take notice that the size of an embryo is about the size of a grain of rice. So with the precise description of this small life inside a woman's womb describe precise to the "T" in the stages of its growing. In a time period when microscopes and sonograms didn't exist who but the Creator of the Universe could've had this knowledge?

This has been widely debunked - the description of Embryology in the Quran is not accurate beyond general vague statements that would be plausible without having to make microscopic observations.

The size of an embryo changes all the time, in the beginning it is clearly much smaller than a grain of rice, and after a while, it is much bigger. The statement is nonsense. In any case, one does not need a microscope to see a grain of rice, and if the author of the Quran has ever talked to someone who has witnessed an early miscarriage, they might plausibly have observed remains of this size.

Some commentary by an expert on embryology

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2...alderdash/

[Sheed1980]

Ok I think I follow u. Let's try this one. Now remember 7th century microscopes, x-rays etc did not yet exist. Allah says in detail in the creation of man in the embryo on this webpage http://scienceislam.com/quran_human_embr...pment.php. Now u have to also take notice that the size of an embryo is about the size of a grain of rice. So with the precise description of this small life inside a woman's womb describe precise to the "T" in the stages of its growing. In a time period when microscopes and sonograms didn't exist who but the Creator of the Universe could've had this knowledge?

This has been widely debunked - the description of Embryology in the Quran is not accurate beyond general vague statements that would be plausible without having to make microscopic observations.

The size of an embryo changes all the time, in the beginning it is clearly much smaller than a grain of rice, and after a while, it is much bigger. The statement is nonsense. In any case, one does not need a microscope to see a grain of rice, and if the author of the Quran has ever talked to someone who has witnessed an early miscarriage, they might plausibly have observed remains of this size.

Some commentary by an expert on embryology

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2...alderdash/

Yes u can see something the size of a grain of rice without a microscope ur right. But not if it is inside a woman's womb. Also if something is that small as a grain of rice in a woman's womb that starts out as a lump of flesh (which is that small) called an 'alaq in Arabic meaning leechlike clot, and it clings to the mothers womb like a leech and is also shaped like a leech, then is referred to as resembling a chewed substance, then in its stages becomes bones and is then clothed with muscles and flesh just as precisely it is said in the Qur'an what human being knew this information? Scientists today with sonograms, microscopes and other technology have verified that when the embryo is as small as a grain of rice inside the mother's womb it looked like a chewed piece of gum, where indentions resembling teeth marks were visible, and the shape of this lump of flesh resembles a leech and also clings to the womb as a bloodsucking leech would cling to something, then it becomes a tiny skeleton, then grows muscles and skin on it as it grows bigger in the womb until birth. So my question to u is who in the 7th century knew this to be the exact way an embryo grows in the mother's womb, besides the One who created it to do things?

[Aractus]

So u can try to sugarcoat it and add snow and ice and rain and hail and water vapor and Antarctica as water and so on and so on and so on.

No, I'm saying they don't count as water, they count as land mass. Idiot.

[Sheed1980]

So u can try to sugarcoat it and add snow and ice and rain and hail and water vapor and Antarctica as water and so on and so on and so on.

No, I'm saying they don't count as water, they count as land mass. Idiot.

Call me what u like but ur the idiot if u don't know that the Earth surface is 71.11% water and 28.89% land. If u think otherwise prove it as false

[ignoramus]

Sheed, your indoctrination makes you think in a very unnatural way. Most theists do this also.
It limits your thoughts to binary.

Anything/everything which doesn't have an air tight explanation MUST be the work of {insert favourite fairy tale}.
You cannot see this but those of us outside your indoctrination see it as very childlike thinking.

Are you trying to convince us of your fairy tale or trying reinforce it on yourself?
Do you realise that you have no control over this? Your indoctrination (mind virus) is controlling every aspect of your life sadly.

[GUBU]

Sheed one of the characteristics of bullshit is that it is not true. And we've shown conclusively that all you are peddling with is bullshit. We've shown that all you've got is post hoc (ie after the discoveries were made scientifically) superficial similiarites between what we know and what was written in the pile of sandpapery bogroll you call the qu'ran, quite a lot of which is torturously come by (for example by counting the numbers of time word x is mentioned and then dividing it by the number of times word y is mentioned, both words chosen arbitrarily, to come to a rough approximation of a ratio discovered scientifically). You've never been able to point to a discovery by the qu'ran which was made before the equivalent scientific discovery was made.

And until you do, your bullshit is false, with no amount of your whining being able to say otherwise.

<snipping the bullshit>

Sheed have you any actual evidence. And your numerology bullshit from a bullshit document is not evidence. If it were anything other than lying bullshit, Sheed you lying bullshitter, then you'd have to accept that Hermann Melville predicted the following assassinations:

1) Indira Gandhi
2) Rene Moawad
3) Leon Trotsky
4) Martin Luther King
5) Engelbert Dollfuss
6) Sirhan Sirhan being an assassisn
7) John F Kennedy
8) Abraham Lincoln
9) Yitzhak Rabin
10) Princess Diana of Wales

As you can see all these people were either famous, important or both, with the exception of Sirhan Sirhan who just killed a famous and important person. If Melville could predict all these, why could your god not do the same, huh Sheed?

[GUBU]

NASA has recently verified that just as it takes our Earth 365 days to make 1 revolution around the sun, it takes the planet Venus 243 days to do the same.

LOL, has NASA recently confirmed that? In other news, CERNs Large Hadron Collider has recently verified that water is wet, and super computer calculations at JPL have shown conclusively that 1+1=2.

Seriously, put down the Quran and read a real science book, not just the "scientific" bits and pieces your scientifically incompetent religious sources give you. You know so little, it's painful to watch.

Pity his favourite toilet paper didn't predict that, seeing as the Islamic calendar is only 354 or 355 days long.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Someone needs to learn his history. The ancient Greeks had those answers a thousand years or more before Mohammed got evicted from a uterus.

If only his mother had had the foresight to strangle him in the crib.

I'm referring to the time period of Greek and Roman astronomy when telescopes were invented in the 16 century and forward. The Romans and Greeks that named the stars and planets after their false mythological Gods, didn't have the technology and science back then to know precise measurements throughout our galaxy. They were so stupid with their theories they called our galaxy the Milky Way because they thought all the stars were from one of their goddesses nursing her children and the baby bit off her nipple and breastmilk poured throughout the galaxy.

The telescope was invented by a Dutchman. Both the classical Greek and Roman civilizations were long gone by then.

The only thing you're doing is putting your ignorance on display. Perhaps if you took the time to learn something outside of the Koran you wouldn't be such a pitiful representative of Allah and Mohammed.

Allah doesn't need any of us.

Good. Then shut up with your preaching. No one wants to hear it, and continuing to do so after being told it's unwanted is a dick move. Stop it.