Updates on the election for those of us...

[Brian37]

I don't see one ounce of compassion in Trump. As incompetent as Bush Jr was he had some. I saw him more of a child wanting to prove daddy Bush wrong but not completely narcissistic. Trump was mentally abused by his dad, I am not saying that as a joke. His dad taught him to show no mercy in anything he competed in and hated losers. Trump's success is that he had a pulse on America's anxiety and didn't care one bit how he exploited it.

[Minimalist]

Wasn't everyone saying during the primaries that Bernie had a better chance against Trump? I think he would have appealed to many hard working people who got hit by the economy and who voted Trump because they feel elitist Clinton will not care for them.

This would have been the entire republicunt campaign against Sanders..... and it would have worked with the simpletons who voted for Drumpf.

[KUSA]

I don't see one ounce of compassion in Trump. As incompetent as Bush Jr was he had some. I saw him more of a child wanting to prove daddy Bush wrong but not completely narcissistic. Trump was mentally abused by his dad, I am not saying that as a joke. His dad taught him to show no mercy in anything he competed in and hated losers. Trump's success is that he had a pulse on America's anxiety and didn't care one bit how he exploited it.

Ha ha ha ha!

[GrandizerII]

Wasn't everyone saying during the primaries that Bernie had a better chance against Trump? I think he would have appealed to many hard working people who got hit by the economy and who voted Trump because they feel elitist Clinton will not care for them.

This would have been the entire republicunt campaign against Sanders..... and it would have worked with the simpletons who voted for Drumpf.

I think you're missing the point here. When it came to Bernie, it was less about his policies and more his appeal to the people that made him get to the point he was able to reach. And this sort of appeal (albeit manifested differently) is probably what got Trump into the White House now.

Hillary was boring and didn't have that unique connection with the public that Bernie and Trump have. Say what you will of Trump, but he knew how to press people's buttons right. Same with Bernie. The key difference is that Trump never had to face the disadvantages Bernie faced in the primaries.

Might be wrong, but fuck it. I'm sticking with this "theory".

[Lucanus]

don't mind me, just memeing to keep myself sane

[Fidel_Castronaut]

You people aren't serious....

Unfortunately a lot of people, on the right and crucially the left, have been fuelling anti-establishment discourse for well over a decade. How many threads/random conversations have we seen on here lambasting centrism, accusing all politicians of being corrupt and in cahoots with the powers that be?

To borrow a 'Trumpism', some, I assume (know) are good people. People have turned away from centrism and that's why you start to see extremes on left and right. Good old fashioned rational liberalism has disappeared with Obama in the US. A lot of politicians here in the U.K. do a damned good job, at national and local level. The trouble is people want their cake and they want to eat it. They want what they want with no compromise, and are quick to tar all with the brush they tar those who rightfully deserve to be lambasted. "Governments should be afraid of their people". Too true, but not at the cost of what I see as a discourse moved beyond honest skepticism to outright cynicism and anti-intellectualism 'post truthism'.

People don't want centrism, they didn't want Clinton. They reaped what they sowed.

[GUBU]

You people aren't serious....

Unfortunately a lot of people, on the right and crucially the left, have been fuelling anti-establishment discourse for well over a decade. How many threads/random conversations have we seen on here lambasting centrism, accusing all politicians of being corrupt and in cahoots with the powers that be?

To borrow a 'Trumpism', some, I assume (know) are good people. People have turned away from centrism and that's why you start to see extremes on left and right. Good old fashioned rational liberalism has disappeared with Obama in the US. A lot of politicians here in the U.K. do a damned good job, at national and local level. The trouble is people want their cake and they want to eat it. They want what they want with no compromise, and are quick to tar all with the brush they tar those who rightfully deserve to be lambasted. "Governments should be afraid of their people". Too true, but not at the cost of what I see as a discourse moved beyond honest skepticism to outright cynicism and anti-intellectualism 'post truthism'.

People don't want centrism, they didn't want Clinton. They reaped what they sowed.

There is no left in American politics. That's a big part of the problem.

The farthest left ye've gone since Eugene Debbs has been Bernie Sanders, who's pretty much an Edward Heath Tory, i.e. a moderate right winger who is willing to adopt left wing policies when he knows they work.

[abaris]

People have turned away from centrism and that's why you start to see extremes on left and right.

I hope you don't consider Bernie Sanders to transport extremes on the left. Otherwise I would be hard pressed to see any extreme left in the USA and very little of that in Europe, by the way.

When it comes to extremism, the right has more or less a monopoly on that today. Things looked differently in the 70ies and early 80ies in Europe, but never in the USA.

As far as corrupt politicians are concerned. I subscribe to that thought. If someone is only able to run a campaign by accepting massive amounts of money from the corporate world, the wishes of their general electorate will take the backseat in comparison to the donors. That is a form of corruption. At the very least it says that most poliicians arent real repreentatives of the people.

[Aegon]

People have turned away from centrism and that's why you start to see extremes on left and right.

I hope you don't consider Bernie Sanders to transport extremes on the left. Otherwise I would be hard pressed to see any extreme left in the USA and very little of that in Europe, by the way.

When it comes to extremism, the right has more or less a monopoly on that today. Things looked differently in the 70ies and early 80ies in Europe, but never in the USA.

As far as corrupt politicians are concerned. I subscribe to that thought. If someone is only able to run a campaign by accepting massive amounts of money from the corporate world, the wishes of their general electorate will take the backseat in comparison to the donors. That is a form of corruption. At the very least it says that most poliicians arent real repreentatives of the people.

Bernie is extreme left because of that dirty dirty word. . .

[TRIGGER WARNING FOR CONSERVATIVES]

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socialism!

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[abaris]

Bernie is extreme left because of that dirty dirty word. . .

That's what I get from this. The total shock over someone claiming to be a democratic socialist. Bernie Sanders is left, that's for sure, but lightyears away from extremism. Trump on the other hand and all the other figures we have in Europe, are so far to the right that there's hardly anywhere left to move unless you want to take on that brown shine.

I'm old enough to remember when leftwing extremism was a real thing in Europe. These days are long gone. Even the so called social democratic parties only offer conservatism light. Bernie would fall into the category of social democrats still being true to their name and title.