Very short argument for God (another clear proof)

[Cyberman]

Waiting for the "clear proof".

Found it:

[Cyberman]

The argument can be rephrased.

if it's possibly from God, it cannot be in any other way. (perhaps more intuitive)
It's possible it is from God.
Therefore it can be only one way.
Therefore it is from God.

What?
What?
What?
What?

None of that makes sense to me at all!

Affirming the consequent does that to you.

[Cecelia]

Among the arguments I know conclusively proves God: "goodness in all possible worlds has one definition and reality" and since we know it's possible it originates from God while we don't know it's possible it originates from anything else, it's proven to be from God.

That's not how this works.  That's not how ANY of this works.

It's possible that you are the killer.  We don't know it's possible someone else is the killer. Therefore you are the killer.

[Simon Moon]

The argument can be rephrased.

if it's possibly from God, it cannot be in any other way. (perhaps more intuitive)
It's possible it is from God.
Therefore it can be only one way.
Therefore it is from God.

If this argument is for the existence of god, then you can't start with god in your first premise.

This is what Cyberman means in post #72 by "affirming the consequent". You can't assume your conclusion in the first premise.

If your argument is for god as the source of 'goodness', then the argument fails from a different fallacy, a red hearing and non sequitur.

You would really be best served by reading some books on basic logic before posting any more of your fallacious arguments. Take a few weeks off from posting, get a book on basic logic. Then when you come up with another argument, write it out as a syllogism, then evaluate it by verifying that it is both valid (structure of the argument) and sound (premises are demonstrably true). Only then, post it here.

Here's a good starting point -

An Illustrated Book of Bad Arguments

Because, unlike you, we are pretty well acquainted with all fallacies, and if you haven't noticed, we constantly point them out to you.

Problem is, if you were to understand basic logic, you would have almost nothing to start threads about here.

[The Grand Nudger]

Trouble is, he used to be better at it..then he took a few weeks off....and what came back, was this. Just flat out soup sandwich shit. I know it sounds great, learn the mechanics, cool off...but...this is what happens, sometimes, when people do that. This is why education and critical thinking aren't the talisman that some people imagine them to be.

[Haipule]

Waiting for the "clear proof".

Found it:

Everclear on ice! Nice!

Oh, yeah, by the way ummmm...God Himself always favors and blesses people for His righteousness which is us surrendering to His perfection in how we are told to do things. Because He made all things to exist and perform according to His perfect standard of the all things. Which is His righteousness of all things He made.

Shall I give you thousands of years of proof beyond anecdotal?

What the fuck! You think you gots a different way of making things work? Instead of loving them, in God's love, in leadership, you would rather fuck them over? Do you think that will work?

Instead of seeking God's perfection in the all things, you can you can just ignore the fact that God's righteousness exists and just fuck people over willy-nilly?

Or, will your magic evolution save you!

[Simon Moon]

Oh, yeah, by the way ummmm...God Himself always favors and blesses people for His righteousness which is us surrendering to His perfection in how we are told to do things. Because He made all things to exist and perform according to His perfect standard of the all things. Which is His righteousness of all things He made.

Unsupported assertion.

Shall I give you thousands of years of proof beyond anecdotal?

You'd be the first. Ever.

So have at it. [I say with all expectations that you will only post the same fallacious arguments every other theist has ever provided]

What the fuck! You think you gots a different way of making things work? Instead of loving them, in God's love, in leadership, you would rather fuck them over? Do you think that will work?

Instead of seeking God's perfection in the all things, you can you can just ignore the fact that God's righteousness exists and just fuck people over willy-nilly?

Or, will your magic evolution save you!

Not sure what the first paragraph means.

I spent the first couple decades of my life sincerely 'seeking God's perfection in the all things'. Never received a thing for my efforts.

you can you can just ignore the fact that God's righteousness exists and just fuck people over willy-nilly?

What?!

I believe in zero gods, including yours. The existence of Yahweh has not met it's burden of proof. So it goes without saying, that the existence of his 'righteousness' is also unsupported by demonstrable evidence.

And even if you could demonstrate that Yahweh exists, that would not mean I would worship him. If the Bible is an accurate portrayal of his nature and actions, he would not warrant my worship.

What makes you think that those of us that do not believe in gods 'just fuck people over willy-nilly'? This is disproved by the most atheistic countries in the world (Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Iceland, and a few more) being among the lowest in the world with regards to crime rates.

Or, will your magic evolution save you!

What the hell does evolution have to do with the existence of a god? There are quite a few Christians that full accept the fact of evolution, like 80% of Christians in Europe, for example.

If evolution were to be proven false tomorrow, that would not offer one bit of evidence that a god exists.

[Haipule]

Oh, yeah, by the way ummmm...God Himself always favors and blesses people for His righteousness which is us surrendering to His perfection in how we are told to do things. Because He made all things to exist and perform according to His perfect standard of the all things. Which is His righteousness of all things He made.

Unsupported assertion.

Shall I give you thousands of years of proof beyond anecdotal?

You'd be the first. Ever.

So have at it. [I say with all expectations that you will only post the same fallacious arguments every other theist has ever provided]

What the fuck! You think you gots a different way of making things work? Instead of loving them, in God's love, in leadership, you would rather fuck them over? Do you think that will work?

Instead of seeking God's perfection in the all things, you can you can just ignore the fact that God's righteousness exists and just fuck people over willy-nilly?

Or, will your magic evolution save you!

Not sure what the first paragraph means.

I spent the first couple decades of my life sincerely 'seeking God's perfection in the all things'.

you can you can just ignore the fact that God's righteousness exists and just fuck people over willy-nilly?

What?!

I believe in zero gods, including yours. The existence of Yahweh has not met it's burden of proof. So it goes without saying, that the existence of his 'righteousness' is also unsupported by demonstrable evidence.

And even if you could demonstrate that Yahweh exists, that would not mean I would worship him. If the Bible is an accurate portrayal of his nature and actions, he would not warrant my worship.

What makes you think that those of us that do not believe in gods 'just fuck people over willy-nilly'? This is disproved by the most atheistic countries in the world (Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Iceland, and a few more) being among the lowest in the world with regards to crime rates.

Or, will your magic evolution save you!

What the hell does evolution have to do with the existence of a god? There are quite a few Christians that full accept the fact of evolution, like 80% of Christians in Europe, for example.

If evolution were to be proven false tomorrow, that would not offer one bit of evidence that a god existe.

Simon my good friend. How are you doing?

I'll just give you my favorite example of God's righteousness in action:

For the LORD knows the way of the righteous, But the way of the wicked will perish. Psalm 1:6 NASB

Let’s say you’re a publicly traded foreign oil company. You negotiate with Libya for an oil contract, predicated upon your being able to negotiate the release, from prison, of a Libyan mass murdering terrorist, which you do: an act of unimaginable injustice and unrighteousness, for the sake of “shareholder value”. Then, one of your oil rigs blow-up in the Gulf of Mexico, killing several people and making a huge mess. Many people lose their jobs, and some are forced to suspend their operations because of the environmental disaster you created, which you must clean up. And everyone is boycotting your gas stations and they’re renaming your company “Bad People”. Then, Libya is plagued by civil war and the Libyan leader is killed! You know? It could happen! Now, how is your “shareholder value”? And let’s say that many retirement accounts, in that foreign country, are heavily invested in your oil company, unequally yoked together with your complete unrighteous stupidity, and God’s Smack-Daddy! You don’t want to be anywhere near a public corporation when it’s Smack-Daddy time!

Do you think I can give you some more examples? I gots thousand of years of example!

If unrighteous always gets it's ass kicked, always, always, always eventually then, why is righteousness always, always, always blessed?

You know, I think there is a standard bearer. And it ain't magic evolution!

If you fight against His righteousness you will lose big!

No one ever in the history of time as ever fought against the standard of God and won--ever!

Just ask Satan!

[Simon Moon]

Unsupported assertion.


You'd be the first. Ever.

So have at it. [I say with all expectations that you will only post the same fallacious arguments every other theist has ever provided]


Not sure what the first paragraph means.

I spent the first couple decades of my life sincerely 'seeking God's perfection in the all things'.


What?!

I believe in zero gods, including yours. The existence of Yahweh has not met it's burden of proof. So it goes without saying, that the existence of his 'righteousness' is also unsupported by demonstrable evidence.

And even if you could demonstrate that Yahweh exists, that would not mean I would worship him. If the Bible is an accurate portrayal of his nature and actions, he would not warrant my worship.

What makes you think that those of us that do not believe in gods 'just fuck people over willy-nilly'? This is disproved by the most atheistic countries in the world (Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Iceland, and a few more) being among the lowest in the world with regards to crime rates.


What the hell does evolution have to do with the existence of a god? There are quite a few Christians that full accept the fact of evolution, like 80% of Christians in Europe, for example.

If evolution were to be proven false tomorrow, that would not offer one bit of evidence that a god existe.

Simon my good friend. How are you doing?

I'll just give you my favorite example of God's righteousness in action:

Doing fine!

Wait a second...

When did you provide demonstrable evidence that your god exists?

For the LORD knows the way of the righteous, But the way of the wicked will perish. Psalm 1:6 NASB

Why should I accept the Bible as being authoritative? You haven't proved you god exists.

Let’s say you’re a publicly traded foreign oil company. You negotiate with Libya for an oil contract, predicated upon your being able to negotiate the release, from prison, of a Libyan mass murdering terrorist, which you do: an act of unimaginable injustice and unrighteousness, for the sake of “shareholder value”. Then, one of your oil rigs blow-up in the Gulf of Mexico, killing several people and making a huge mess. Many people lose their jobs, and some are forced to suspend their operations because of the environmental disaster you created, which you must clean up. And everyone is boycotting your gas stations and they’re renaming your company “Bad People”. Then, Libya is plagued by civil war and the Libyan leader is killed! You know? It could happen! Now, how is your “shareholder value”? And let’s say that many retirement accounts, in that foreign country, are heavily invested in your oil company, unequally yoked together with your complete unrighteous stupidity, and God’s Smack-Daddy! You don’t want to be anywhere near a public corporation when it’s Smack-Daddy time!

How does your hypothetical provide even one shred if evidence that Yahweh exists?

Even if I accept every single premise in your hypothetical, how does that prove a god exists? Nothing in your hypothetical requires a god's input.

Do you think I can give you some more examples? I gots thousand of years of example

If this is an example of one of your examples, don't bother with anymore.

I'm not even sure why you even believe this is evidence for the existence of a god?

If unrighteous always gets it's ass kicked, always, always, always eventually then, why is righteousness always, always, always blessed?

You haven't provided any evidence that any of this is true.

I see constant examples throughout history and current events, of evil people getting away with attrocities, and good people getting screwed.

If you are going to make the claim there is some sort of cosmic justice from a deity, you know what you have to do, right? Provide demonstrable and falsifiable evidence that said deity exists, and that he/she/it/they are responsible for instituting justice.

If you fight against His righteousness you will lose big!

I don't fight against 'His righteousness'. I do not believe any god exists.

No one ever in the history of time as ever fought against the standard of God and won--ever!

Just ask Satan!

Satan also does not exist.

[Haipule]

Simon my good friend. How are you doing?

I'll just give you my favorite example of God's righteousness in action:

Doing fine!

Wait a second...

When did you provide demonstrable evidence that your god exists?

For the LORD knows the way of the righteous, But the way of the wicked will perish. Psalm 1:6 NASB

Why should I accept the Bible as being authoritative? You haven't proved you god exists.

Let’s say you’re a publicly traded foreign oil company. You negotiate with Libya for an oil contract, predicated upon your being able to negotiate the release, from prison, of a Libyan mass murdering terrorist, which you do: an act of unimaginable injustice and unrighteousness, for the sake of “shareholder value”. Then, one of your oil rigs blow-up in the Gulf of Mexico, killing several people and making a huge mess. Many people lose their jobs, and some are forced to suspend their operations because of the environmental disaster you created, which you must clean up. And everyone is boycotting your gas stations and they’re renaming your company “Bad People”. Then, Libya is plagued by civil war and the Libyan leader is killed! You know? It could happen! Now, how is your “shareholder value”? And let’s say that many retirement accounts, in that foreign country, are heavily invested in your oil company, unequally yoked together with your complete unrighteous stupidity, and God’s Smack-Daddy! You don’t want to be anywhere near a public corporation when it’s Smack-Daddy time!

How does your hypothetical provide even one shred if evidence that Yahweh exists?

Even if I accept every single premise in your hypothetical, how does that prove a god exists? Nothing in your hypothetical requires a god's input.

Do you think I can give you some more examples? I gots thousand of years of example

If this is an example of one of your examples, don't bother with anymore.

I'm not even sure why you even believe this is evidence for the existence of a god?

If unrighteous always gets it's ass kicked, always, always, always eventually then, why is righteousness always, always, always blessed?

You haven't provided any evidence that any of this is true.

I see constant examples throughout history and current events, of evil people getting away with attrocities, and good people getting screwed.

If you are going to make the claim there is some sort of cosmic justice from a deity, you know what you have to do, right? Provide demonstrable and falsifiable evidence that said deity exists, and that he/she/it/they are responsible for instituting justice.

If you fight against His righteousness you will lose big!

I don't fight against 'His righteousness'. I do not believe any god exists.

No one ever in the history of time as ever fought against the standard of God and won--ever!

Just ask Satan!

Satan also does not exist.