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RE: Is there free will in heaven?
November 2, 2011 at 6:48 am
IATTIA,
Logically you have reaced a false conclusion. Here you define sin "A 'sin' is a transgression of your god's law."
then you change teh definition of sin using an Equivocation Fallacy to a sin against your god. The atheists don't believe in a god and if they did most wouldn't believe in the Abrahamic god. If sin is a transgression against the abrahamic God of Christianity then you would indeed be sinning regardless of whether you believed he existed or not. 
As far as kicking back, I'd be more than happy to kick back on enjoy life with you, I do it every day.
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RE: Is there free will in heaven?
November 2, 2011 at 7:05 am
Tack, i really like your first sig quote.
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RE: Is there free will in heaven?
November 2, 2011 at 9:10 pm
(November 2, 2011 at 7:05 am)5thHorseman Wrote: Tack, i really like your first sig quote.
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RE: Is there free will in heaven?
November 2, 2011 at 10:46 pm
(November 2, 2011 at 9:10 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: (November 2, 2011 at 7:05 am)5thHorseman Wrote: Tack, i really like your first sig quote.
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RE: Is there free will in heaven?
November 2, 2011 at 11:28 pm
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(November 2, 2011 at 6:48 am)tackattack Wrote: Logically you have reaced a false conclusion. Here you define sin "A 'sin' is a transgression of your god's law."
then you change teh definition of sin using an Equivocation Fallacy to a sin against your god. The atheists don't believe in a god and if they did most wouldn't believe in the Abrahamic god. If sin is a transgression against the abrahamic God of Christianity then you would indeed be sinning regardless of whether you believed he existed or not.
NOT. Breaking man's law is not a sin. Breaking god's law is a sin. Therefore a sin can only be committed if there is a god. There is no god. Therefore I cannot sin.
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RE: Is there free will in heaven?
November 3, 2011 at 7:12 am
I like my quotes too; I haven't changed them since I put them on for a reason, they still hold true. Thanks for the compliements (I know how rare they are from the minmaster)... on to the topic.
(November 2, 2011 at 11:28 pm)IATIA Wrote:
You're missing the point that you changed the definition of the word sin making your premise illogcial. Irregardless of mine or your belief system, a logical fallacy is a logical fallacy.
If you had defined sin as transgression against a god then you would be correct. You however defined it the Christian God. Pedantically on a second point, at the very least the abstract mental constuct of your use of the general god exists for both of us. Therefore once again you are wrong in stating that there is no god.
You're missing the point that you defined sin as trangression against my god, not yours (or your lack of one) and then made a false assertion. Whether or not you believe my God exists or not, is irrelevant as it is my God, and you set the parameters for your arguement.
0 for 2 one more without even admitting your illogical premises and I'll just add you to the ignore pile of intellectually dishonest anti-thesits.
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RE: Is there free will in heaven?
November 3, 2011 at 8:02 am
(November 3, 2011 at 7:12 am)tackattack Wrote: You're missing the point that you changed the definition of the word sin making your premise illogcial. Irregardless of mine or your belief system, a logical fallacy is a logical fallacy.
You are arguing semantics rather than the point.
You can call it disobeying, transgressions, violating, whatever. Sin still remains an act against a god and only if that god exists.
I changed no definition. It is obvious that you have not a command of the English language. "Irregardless" is not a word.
You are on an atheist site attempting to differentiate between gods. We make no differentiation. They are all imaginative fantasies.
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RE: Is there free will in heaven?
November 4, 2011 at 1:54 am
I was pointing out a logical fallacy and I clearly defined where, you can deny it all you like. Since you want to discuss the point,
If I had a fluffy pink unicorn at my house that I put a quarter in and rode to make me happy, and you sent a missle to destroy it, because you didn't like fluffy pink things. Does it matter whether you believed I actually had one or not? No, it only matters if it actually exists or not. It only has an affect on my reality because I know that it's there, I am uninterested in your reality since you are the transgressor. Since I believe my God exists, I support it with subjective evidence; for me my God exists. You can therefore sin against my God from my perspective, regardless of what effect you think it has on your reality.
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RE: Is there free will in heaven?
November 4, 2011 at 8:01 am
And I have no problem with your pink fluffy unicorn as long as it does not shit in my yard. Ultimately, that is the problem with most theists. They want to take their pink fluffy unicorn out for a walk and let it shit in other peoples yard. Now the missile comes out.
(This is not a personal attack directed at you. You seem to be OK, except for your imaginary friend.)
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RE: Is there free will in heaven?
November 4, 2011 at 8:47 am
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(November 4, 2011 at 8:01 am)IATIA Wrote: You seem to be OK, except for your imaginary friend.) As is so often the case.
I just imagined a thing called "siddlehan" that you can "vesit" against Tack. Clearly you are a "vesiter".
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