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RE: Non-binary
June 16, 2021 at 2:56 pm
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(June 13, 2021 at 5:17 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Do you have anyone in mind, any therapist or surgeon who feels that the solution to dysphoria and depression in a non binary persons life would be to do a little non-binary conversion surgery or therapy?
I don't think many psychologists or neuroscientists hold the view that the mind is immutable or that any one aspect of it is sacred to your being. The brain is known to change with experience, and even genetic effects are not unmodifiable.
You are mixing an ethical question with a clinical/scientific one. Without a doubt your gender identity can be changed with varying degrees of efficacy, and by default it is a solution to dysphoria. Whether or not you personally think it is ethical to do so is a different question. I don't agree that there is anything inherently unethical about it. But what I disagree with is your use of force and stigmatization to strawman the argument.
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RE: Non-binary
June 16, 2021 at 3:38 pm
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Just to be clear, you can't think of any surgeons or therapists who believe that non binary conversion therapy is prudent?
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RE: Non-binary
June 16, 2021 at 3:41 pm
Coming up in 3,2,1...well, so and so said this in their book and whathisass said that in his paper...I will regurgitate that since I have no actual opinon of my own.
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RE: Non-binary
June 16, 2021 at 3:50 pm
If or when he does, we should respect the effort it must have taken to find anyone in either profession willing to sign on to the plan.
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RE: Non-binary
June 16, 2021 at 4:18 pm
(June 16, 2021 at 3:38 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Just to be clear, you can't think of any surgeons or therapists who believe that non binary conversion therapy is prudent?
There is no doubt in my mind that many of the people I've met throughout my academic career would agree with what I just said.
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RE: Non-binary
June 16, 2021 at 4:29 pm
That's all well and good, and I'm sure that plenty of people in every academic field are for sunshine and icecream as well, so that's two things we both agree that they're for.
Can you direct us to any therapists or surgeons who feel that non binary gender conversion therapy is a prudent course of action in the event of depression or dysphoria in such a persons life?
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RE: Non-binary
June 16, 2021 at 4:43 pm
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(June 16, 2021 at 4:29 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Can you direct us to any therapists or surgeons who feel that non binary gender conversion therapy is a prudent course of action in the event of depression or dysphoria in such a persons life?
I'm not giving you anyone's contact information; any other questions?
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RE: Non-binary
June 16, 2021 at 4:59 pm
The answer is no.
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RE: Non-binary
June 16, 2021 at 5:19 pm
Quote:I'm not giving you anyone's contact information; any other questions?
You realize you can name surgeons and therapists without giving doc dropping them
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RE: Non-binary
June 16, 2021 at 5:33 pm
Okay then pick a name go with that.
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