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The Meaninglessness of Meaning
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RE: The Meaninglessness of Meaning
(July 27, 2015 at 7:15 am)bennyboy Wrote: You know my feelings on this: what is apparently physical works just fine as a collection of ideas (about experienced properties and the things which seemingly underly them).  However, it seems to me that consciousness fits much more poorly into a physicalist perspective.

The only thing holding us back from an idealist word view is that physicalism just feels so darned convincing-- until we remember that feeling, itself, is nothing more than an idea.  So if there ever was a blue pill, you've already taken it, long ago.

Ironically, meaning is accepted for the same reason that most of us (at least implicitly) accept physicalism-- that the sense of certainty about it seems to validate it with no further inquiry required.
The basic ideas of Kantian idealism, which, like all of them, I tend to view as resulting in skepticism and agnosticism, seem to me to make it a much, much better candidate than its Platonic or Berkeleian siblings. I still can't get past what I believe are major problems, namely, that while I don't want to wholly lose myself, I also don't think it deserves the elevated position idealists give the self - I'm with them epistemologically but metaphysically I can't justify giving my consciousness such prominence in the totality of things. What says you?

I wonder if existentialism aligns more comfortably with idealism?
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza
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The Meaninglessness of Meaning - by Mudhammam - July 25, 2015 at 5:08 pm
RE: The Meaninglessness of Meaning - by Longhorn - July 25, 2015 at 5:55 pm
RE: The Meaninglessness of Meaning - by Exian - July 25, 2015 at 6:20 pm
RE: The Meaninglessness of Meaning - by Mudhammam - July 25, 2015 at 7:47 pm
RE: The Meaninglessness of Meaning - by Cato - July 25, 2015 at 10:27 pm
RE: The Meaninglessness of Meaning - by Exian - July 25, 2015 at 9:26 pm
RE: The Meaninglessness of Meaning - by BrokenQuill92 - July 25, 2015 at 11:17 pm
RE: The Meaninglessness of Meaning - by bennyboy - July 25, 2015 at 11:20 pm
RE: The Meaninglessness of Meaning - by Cato - July 25, 2015 at 11:25 pm
RE: The Meaninglessness of Meaning - by bennyboy - July 26, 2015 at 1:34 am
RE: The Meaninglessness of Meaning - by Whateverist - July 26, 2015 at 12:27 am
RE: The Meaninglessness of Meaning - by Cato - July 26, 2015 at 1:51 am
RE: The Meaninglessness of Meaning - by bennyboy - July 26, 2015 at 12:40 pm
RE: The Meaninglessness of Meaning - by ignoramus - July 26, 2015 at 4:43 am
RE: The Meaninglessness of Meaning - by robvalue - July 26, 2015 at 6:36 am
RE: The Meaninglessness of Meaning - by Whateverist - July 26, 2015 at 1:23 pm
RE: The Meaninglessness of Meaning - by ignoramus - July 26, 2015 at 8:25 am
RE: The Meaninglessness of Meaning - by Pyrrho - July 26, 2015 at 3:06 pm
RE: The Meaninglessness of Meaning - by Mudhammam - July 26, 2015 at 4:52 pm
RE: The Meaninglessness of Meaning - by Pyrrho - July 26, 2015 at 8:14 pm
RE: The Meaninglessness of Meaning - by Mudhammam - July 27, 2015 at 3:48 am
RE: The Meaninglessness of Meaning - by Pyrrho - July 27, 2015 at 11:41 am
RE: The Meaninglessness of Meaning - by ignoramus - July 26, 2015 at 4:58 pm
RE: The Meaninglessness of Meaning - by Angrboda - July 26, 2015 at 7:45 pm
RE: The Meaninglessness of Meaning - by Mudhammam - July 27, 2015 at 4:04 am
RE: The Meaninglessness of Meaning - by bennyboy - July 27, 2015 at 7:15 am
RE: The Meaninglessness of Meaning - by Mudhammam - July 27, 2015 at 7:54 am
RE: The Meaninglessness of Meaning - by robvalue - July 27, 2015 at 4:26 am
RE: The Meaninglessness of Meaning - by Mudhammam - July 27, 2015 at 6:24 am
RE: The Meaninglessness of Meaning - by Little lunch - July 27, 2015 at 6:06 am
RE: The Meaninglessness of Meaning - by bennyboy - July 27, 2015 at 8:55 am
RE: The Meaninglessness of Meaning - by robvalue - July 27, 2015 at 12:10 pm
RE: The Meaninglessness of Meaning - by Kingpin - July 27, 2015 at 5:09 pm
RE: The Meaninglessness of Meaning - by Pyrrho - August 10, 2015 at 6:59 pm
RE: The Meaninglessness of Meaning - by Kingpin - August 12, 2015 at 2:07 pm
RE: The Meaninglessness of Meaning - by Mudhammam - August 12, 2015 at 10:33 pm
RE: The Meaninglessness of Meaning - by Kingpin - August 13, 2015 at 9:59 am
RE: The Meaninglessness of Meaning - by Pyrrho - August 13, 2015 at 10:26 pm
RE: The Meaninglessness of Meaning - by Whateverist - August 10, 2015 at 8:34 pm
RE: The Meaninglessness of Meaning - by ignoramus - August 13, 2015 at 5:13 am
RE: The Meaninglessness of Meaning - by robvalue - August 13, 2015 at 10:17 am
RE: The Meaninglessness of Meaning - by Kingpin - August 13, 2015 at 10:31 am
RE: The Meaninglessness of Meaning - by Ben Davis - August 13, 2015 at 11:28 am

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