RE: Has Science done away with a need for God?
July 28, 2015 at 2:33 am
(This post was last modified: July 28, 2015 at 2:36 am by robvalue.)
We have a sample size of one universe/reality. We have no known designed or non designed ones to compare it to. It's therefor not valid to conclude that our universe is or isn't designed, and trying to work that out based on what we view inside it is fallacious.
The only God that is consistent with science is one which set things going and then sat back and watched / wandered off / died. In other words, the deistic God. Although using the word "God" is so much unnecessary baggage. Creator would do just fine! Anything further to this is blind speculation in my opinion, as is thinking we know anything about this creator. We have no good reason to believe this creator has interacted since creating all of this.
Your definition of God sounds entirely like a job description, rather than having any specific details of an actual being. It seems to imply that I would be the God of a simulation I run that manifests somehow with self aware AI. I can be virtually all-powerful with regard to this simulation in that I can screw around with it directly in pretty much any way I like. I can "know" everything about it by getting read outs from my simulation. I can pause time, rewind time, anything I like. I'd be seen as an almighty creator super powerful God to those AIs, but in my own reality I'm just a guy with no similar amount of control over my own environment.
Let me ask you Kingpin, why do you worship a god? I get that you think one exists, but what's the point in worship? As I've stated, even if I thought a god existed, I wouldn't worship it as I find it an obscene concept. Any God that requires/demands worship of its hapless minions, watching them grovel before deciding which bin to throw them in after they die is not worthy of worship in my opinion. The only motivation I can see is fear. It presumably took God literally zero effort to create and sustain our reality, so isn't a single thank you enough?
The only God that is consistent with science is one which set things going and then sat back and watched / wandered off / died. In other words, the deistic God. Although using the word "God" is so much unnecessary baggage. Creator would do just fine! Anything further to this is blind speculation in my opinion, as is thinking we know anything about this creator. We have no good reason to believe this creator has interacted since creating all of this.
Your definition of God sounds entirely like a job description, rather than having any specific details of an actual being. It seems to imply that I would be the God of a simulation I run that manifests somehow with self aware AI. I can be virtually all-powerful with regard to this simulation in that I can screw around with it directly in pretty much any way I like. I can "know" everything about it by getting read outs from my simulation. I can pause time, rewind time, anything I like. I'd be seen as an almighty creator super powerful God to those AIs, but in my own reality I'm just a guy with no similar amount of control over my own environment.
Let me ask you Kingpin, why do you worship a god? I get that you think one exists, but what's the point in worship? As I've stated, even if I thought a god existed, I wouldn't worship it as I find it an obscene concept. Any God that requires/demands worship of its hapless minions, watching them grovel before deciding which bin to throw them in after they die is not worthy of worship in my opinion. The only motivation I can see is fear. It presumably took God literally zero effort to create and sustain our reality, so isn't a single thank you enough?
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