(July 29, 2015 at 9:36 am)lkingpinl Wrote:(July 28, 2015 at 11:59 pm)Kitan Wrote: No theist relies upon logic in relation to theological matters. Faith, after all, is illogical.
Well that is certainly a bold statement. It is also untrue on many levels. I can name plenty of theists who base their belief on logic and not emotion. Also, saying that faith is illogical is to completely redefine the word faith. The etymology of the word "faith" seems to have undergone a radical departure. Faith comes from the latin "fide" for which we get "fidelity". In Greek it is "pistis" from the verb "pietho" meaning to be persuaded. When you say I have faith in my friend you are making a statement of truth and reality. That he is a real person and someone you can trust.
No. Those theists THINK they have logical reasons. What they actually have is a series of logical fallacies with a wad of emotions tucked sneakily underneath.
The mere existence of Gaud is a sophisticated theological question, which means that we're not able to use faith in the general sense here. Faith, in a theological discussion like this, specifically means the belief in something without sufficient evidence to justify it. Mincing definitions is a semantic game that serves only to cloud the waters and create contention over points that are irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
Verbatim from the mouth of Jesus (retranslated from a retranslation of a copy of a copy):
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
Also, I has a website: www.RedbeardThePink.com
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
Also, I has a website: www.RedbeardThePink.com
