(July 29, 2015 at 5:02 pm)TubbyTubby Wrote: Blimey, as a confirmed ignorant to holy scripture those verses give me more confidence that I don't need that sort of shite in my life. I couldn't even begin to twist that to form any relevance to anything real if I sat down for a week.
GC and Drich I salute you. Anyone that can relate to that bunch of bollocks has way more imagination than me.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
Is that really stuff from the bible? I couldn't be arsed to look. Oh my fuck GC, I can see why you are so fucked up believing in this shit.
What the fuck does " Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth" even mean?
I know I'll regret that question.
The more one knows about religion, the more one has to despise in it. It is from knowing about it that one realizes how incredibly vile it is. What has appeared thus far in this thread, though, is as nothing. If this stuff upsets you, you had better avoid threads in which much of the Bible is quoted, as it is a seriously messed up piece of work.
In answer to your specific question, God has mercy on those He chooses to have mercy, and He hardens the hearts of those He wishes to not follow Him. Which is to say, He is kind to those people to whom it pleases God to be kind, and God makes people against God when it pleases God to make them against Him. I am sure, though, that the Christians who are antagonistic to the obvious meaning of these verses will say otherwise, if they bother to respond to your question.
"A wise man ... proportions his belief to the evidence."
— David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, Section X, Part I.