RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
August 4, 2015 at 1:15 pm
(This post was last modified: August 5, 2015 at 6:51 am by Brakeman.)
(August 4, 2015 at 12:18 pm)Rekeisha Wrote:(August 4, 2015 at 7:55 am)Brakeman Wrote: I think you are misunderstanding Revalation's admonition. The bible is the complete word of god and individuals are not to add to it, but everything god says is supposed to be included in it. If it weren't, it wouldn't be the "complete" word of god. So you aren't supposed to add anything to it that god didn't really say, that'll get you smote or something, but if god REALLY met and spoke to you, the world needs to hear this addition to god's word. I'm sure the holy spirit will confirm your truths to all other true christians so that it will be added forthwith.
As for god hating unbelievers..
Since I don't believe in god or the holy spirit, I blaspheme when I attribute the claims of the holy spirit to be a mental delusion. This is something god says he won't forgive. He claims he hates it so much he's going to toss me in a lake of fire when I die to be tortured for all of eternity. That is a shit-load of hate. How much hate would it take to make you say to someone else that you want to torture them for billions of years in the worst pain imaginable??
I define forgiveness as the simple relinquishment of a debt, without any ancient blood rituals, or killing of innocents.
If I were to ask you to forgive me if I stepped on your toe, would you demand my eye to forgive me? Would you demand that I kill something valuable to me like my pet dog? Would you demand that kill your child? No. If a debt is owed, then additional demands by the debtee become payments of the debt and must be agreed to by the debtor.
I do not owe a debt to god because Eve ate a magic fruit. I am not Eve. I've never met god and I don't believe I owe him anything and I don't wish for him to hurt anyone or anything else to appease debts from myself. If I am guilty of a crime, I want to be punished for it fairly and not have an innocent man pay for my faults.
When the church speaks of the complete works of God we don't mean all the words of God that are spoken to His people but that the Bible has all the necessary parts.
Oh yes it does! That is exactly what the complete "Word" of god means. It would be silly otherwise as you would be excluding other possible commandments. If god told you that exposing toes in public is a sin, then it would make no sense whatsoever that this new commandment wouldn't be included. To claim it is the only necessary parts is faulty because who is to judge god's word as to what is necessary or not? God hasn't published a list of what scriptures are necessary and what scriptures aren't. The composed bibles were made canon by judgment of truth, not necessity. They included All the scripture that was felt to be god verified by the spirit, they didn't canonize into the bible any bible school lessons or any bible "fanfic" as the goal was to address all of god's word and all of the spirit verified histories.
(August 4, 2015 at 12:18 pm)Rekeisha Wrote: ..
You already admit that you don't believe in God and that make you a fool (psalms 14:1). Romans 1:18-22 speaks about how with your denial of God your suppress the truth about God and He hates that. This is because when you suppress the truth about Him you are are promoting a lie. You are promoting evil instead of good. Rebellion instead of harmony. You are causing others to sin with your propaganda against God. He created you and gives you the breath in your lungs and you spit in his face call Him a tyrant and evil.
Of course I can't spit in his face because he hides from me. He hides from everyone and has convinced you that his missing presence is "normal." I believe what seems reasonable and logical inside my little human brain. The conclusion of fact, or belief, is not a choice of mine. I can only fake believing something if I don't. So the brain god gave me and the experiences god allowed me to see have convinced me that god is an imaginary construct of primitive men. Because I am honest and true to my fellow man, your god calls me evil and a rebel and wants to burn and torture me forever without bothering to show his face to me and without talking to me. He would rather torture me forever than reveal himself to me for a moment. That's your god of love.. Some Love! He doesn't give a man a chance to believe him after death because he would be revealed. God is completely unforgiving after our fragile weak bodies cease and no amount of contrition or begging would change his cruel mind.
(August 4, 2015 at 12:18 pm)Rekeisha Wrote: ..So God can appease His hate for you by giving you His righteousness through the Holy Spirit that will be given to you if you accept his sacrifice for you on the cross. ..
Again, the sacrifice was desired by god, it was his made up rules that said that innocent blood has to be spilled for some weird reason. God wanted a sacrifice - god made a sacrifice - this has nothing to do with me..
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