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Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue?
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RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue?
(August 6, 2015 at 1:17 pm)RobbyPants Wrote:
(August 6, 2015 at 11:40 am)Rhondazvous Wrote: People reject the Abrahamic deity because there is no evidence such a being exists and theists’ efforts to prove otherwise have not been compelling.  Why then is it considered a virtue to psych one’s self out and just believe in things one knows are not true? How is that good?  Why is it a moral failing to stand on one’s intellectual integrity?

Ascribing virtue or vice to one’s status as a believer makes as much sense as saying men who eat bananas are good in bed.

It's not so much an issue that Christians believe that believing in counter-factual things makes you morally superior. They believe that
  • God exists
  • God is the origin of morality
  • God will punish you for not swearing the proper oath of fealty
So, it's not that they think that it is moral to believe counter-factual things, but rather that it is the highest moral good to believe this one particular counter-factual thing. It's just the logical extension of tying punishment and reward to belief in a nonfalsifiable entity.

But yeah, it is absurd, but not quite in the way that you're stating it.

Hey Robby,

I don't see where our ideas diverge here. It looks like we agree on the major gist.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.

I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.

Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
--Voltaire

Nietzsche isn't dead. How do I know he lives? He lives in my mind.
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Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Rhondazvous - August 6, 2015 at 11:40 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Minimalist - August 6, 2015 at 11:44 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by brewer - August 6, 2015 at 11:56 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Esquilax - August 6, 2015 at 12:00 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Minimalist - August 6, 2015 at 12:05 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by dyresand - August 6, 2015 at 12:26 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Esquilax - August 6, 2015 at 1:10 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Faith No More - August 6, 2015 at 3:40 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by brewer - August 6, 2015 at 6:01 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by brewer - August 6, 2015 at 8:00 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Rhondazvous - August 6, 2015 at 6:51 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by abaris - August 6, 2015 at 8:04 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Cato - August 6, 2015 at 8:08 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by robvalue - August 6, 2015 at 1:05 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Minimalist - August 6, 2015 at 1:07 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by RobbyPants - August 6, 2015 at 1:17 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Rhondazvous - August 6, 2015 at 7:19 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Pyrrho - August 6, 2015 at 1:26 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Drich - August 6, 2015 at 4:27 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Cato - August 6, 2015 at 8:06 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Drich - August 7, 2015 at 10:20 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Faith No More - August 7, 2015 at 10:30 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Drich - August 7, 2015 at 10:40 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Faith No More - August 7, 2015 at 10:54 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Drich - August 7, 2015 at 11:01 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Faith No More - August 7, 2015 at 11:13 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Drich - August 7, 2015 at 4:43 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Rhondazvous - August 7, 2015 at 11:22 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Faith No More - August 7, 2015 at 11:26 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Rhondazvous - August 7, 2015 at 12:14 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Drich - August 7, 2015 at 4:49 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Rhondazvous - August 7, 2015 at 5:51 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Drich - August 8, 2015 at 9:15 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Rhondazvous - August 8, 2015 at 11:07 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Minimalist - August 6, 2015 at 6:17 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Rhondazvous - August 6, 2015 at 8:10 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Drich - August 7, 2015 at 10:35 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by loganonekenobi - August 13, 2015 at 11:34 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by robvalue - August 7, 2015 at 4:11 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Drich - August 7, 2015 at 10:59 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by abaris - August 7, 2015 at 11:25 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Esquilax - August 7, 2015 at 12:00 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by abaris - August 7, 2015 at 12:55 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Jenny A - August 7, 2015 at 1:17 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Wyrd of Gawd - August 7, 2015 at 4:51 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Rhondazvous - August 7, 2015 at 5:42 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Drich - August 7, 2015 at 5:14 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Drich - August 7, 2015 at 5:05 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by abaris - August 7, 2015 at 5:16 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Drich - August 7, 2015 at 5:36 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by abaris - August 7, 2015 at 6:13 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Drich - August 8, 2015 at 9:28 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by abaris - August 8, 2015 at 9:47 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Drich - August 8, 2015 at 10:19 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Rhondazvous - August 8, 2015 at 11:32 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Wyrd of Gawd - August 9, 2015 at 12:05 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Drich - August 9, 2015 at 10:11 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by abaris - August 8, 2015 at 12:10 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Drich - August 9, 2015 at 10:16 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by orangebox21 - August 7, 2015 at 10:35 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Rhondazvous - August 7, 2015 at 11:32 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by orangebox21 - August 7, 2015 at 12:52 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Rhondazvous - August 7, 2015 at 5:30 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Whateverist - August 7, 2015 at 11:35 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by orangebox21 - August 7, 2015 at 3:56 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Pyrrho - August 7, 2015 at 4:23 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by orangebox21 - August 10, 2015 at 10:16 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Kingpin - August 10, 2015 at 11:17 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by abaris - August 10, 2015 at 11:25 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Wyrd of Gawd - August 12, 2015 at 11:54 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Drich - August 7, 2015 at 5:17 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Wyrd of Gawd - August 7, 2015 at 5:31 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by orangebox21 - August 10, 2015 at 1:29 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Mudhammam - August 12, 2015 at 7:26 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by orangebox21 - August 12, 2015 at 8:42 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Mudhammam - August 12, 2015 at 8:57 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Rhondazvous - August 12, 2015 at 11:20 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by McDoogins - August 10, 2015 at 2:23 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by robvalue - August 12, 2015 at 6:37 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Longhorn - August 12, 2015 at 6:42 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by abaris - August 12, 2015 at 8:52 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by orangebox21 - August 12, 2015 at 11:35 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by abaris - August 12, 2015 at 12:46 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by orangebox21 - August 13, 2015 at 10:22 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by abaris - August 13, 2015 at 10:38 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by orangebox21 - August 14, 2015 at 1:03 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by abaris - August 14, 2015 at 1:54 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by orangebox21 - August 14, 2015 at 3:41 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by abaris - August 14, 2015 at 5:05 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by orangebox21 - August 17, 2015 at 12:27 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by abaris - August 17, 2015 at 12:50 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by orangebox21 - August 18, 2015 at 9:36 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by abaris - August 18, 2015 at 1:48 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by orangebox21 - August 18, 2015 at 3:58 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by abaris - August 18, 2015 at 4:52 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by orangebox21 - August 19, 2015 at 10:10 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by abaris - August 19, 2015 at 10:15 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Whateverist - August 19, 2015 at 10:49 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by LostLocke - August 18, 2015 at 2:00 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Rhondazvous - August 21, 2015 at 10:22 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Whateverist - August 18, 2015 at 10:17 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Rhondazvous - August 13, 2015 at 12:21 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by robvalue - August 12, 2015 at 8:59 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Mudhammam - August 12, 2015 at 9:10 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Rhondazvous - August 12, 2015 at 11:04 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Kingpin - August 12, 2015 at 11:18 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Rhondazvous - August 12, 2015 at 12:27 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Kingpin - August 12, 2015 at 1:14 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by robvalue - August 12, 2015 at 11:57 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Esquilax - August 12, 2015 at 12:15 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by robvalue - August 12, 2015 at 12:34 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Whateverist - August 12, 2015 at 12:37 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by robvalue - August 12, 2015 at 12:41 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by robvalue - August 13, 2015 at 10:29 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Kingpin - August 13, 2015 at 11:07 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by robvalue - August 13, 2015 at 11:34 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Kingpin - August 13, 2015 at 12:01 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by robvalue - August 13, 2015 at 12:07 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Rhondazvous - August 21, 2015 at 11:14 am

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