RE: A few points of conflict with Jackie L's (Eilonnwy) article.
October 26, 2010 at 2:20 pm
(This post was last modified: October 26, 2010 at 2:28 pm by tavarish.)
(October 26, 2010 at 12:04 pm)tavarish Wrote: 1. You replied my question of "why don't we judge regardless of race?" with "because we don't".
(October 26, 2010 at 1:18 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: No she didn't.
Yes, she did. Verbatim:
(October 26, 2010 at 12:04 pm)tavarish Wrote: Why can't we just take the words and actions of all people on equal ground regardless of race...?
Eilonnwy Wrote:Because we don't take the words and actions of all people on equal ground regardless of race and gender.
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(October 26, 2010 at 1:18 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: It's exactly relevant as an example of the problem.
So explain to me how some bigoted assholes doing something represents me, my actions, or ideals. It does not illustrate a problem with a general population, it illustrates a problem is a few choice individuals - exactly those who she should condemn rather than throwing the lot of us under the bus simply because we were born with a penis.
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(October 26, 2010 at 12:04 pm)tavarish Wrote: 5. You not being able to go into a store isn't my issue. That's an issue for law enforcement, lawyer, or a human resources department. I don't condone such behavior, and it does not speak for me.
(October 26, 2010 at 1:18 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Yeah you're fine Jack fuck everyone else?
No, what she's saying is "I was discriminated against by a black person. Therefore it is a problem in the black community." A more logical approach would be "I was discriminated against by a store clerk. I went to his supervisors, told them of the situation, and got him reprimanded/fired." This is a problem between her and her adversary, not a problem between her and the entire community. Do you understand?
Is it your problem that a guy in another country is beating his wife?
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(October 26, 2010 at 12:04 pm)tavarish Wrote: 6. You assume I don't deal with harrassment and even say I participate in ogling women by yelling obscenities. I have never done that, nor do I wish to. Double standard.
(October 26, 2010 at 1:18 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Harassment isn't the subject, sexual harassment is. You'd think any harassment would sensitise you to the plight of others. Apparently not?
Did you miss the point? I said I don't condone or engage in any acts like that, therefore these actions do not represent me.
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(October 26, 2010 at 12:04 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Yes it's safe and well justified to assume culture has a male bias. You're really clutching at straws suggesting otherwise. To insult you... that seems like the norm for you.
What culture has a male bias? You do know that there is more than one facet to culture, don't you? I'm suggesting that what Eilonnwy is saying doesn't represent men, and only applies to her skewed view of the community - which is in essence sexist.
Is taking a person's word for its merit regardless of race a bad thing?
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(October 26, 2010 at 12:04 pm)tavarish Wrote: The accusation lands squarely at your door tav, having displayed bigoted attitudes on this forum.
Please show me where I have ever displayed a serious bigoted attitude. Go ahead, I'll wait.
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(October 26, 2010 at 2:13 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: @ Shiny: did you fall out of the stupid tree this morning shiny?
You're either the most sarcastic person I've ever encountered, or developmentally retarded.
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