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Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue?
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RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue?
(August 7, 2015 at 12:00 pm)Esquilax Wrote:
(August 7, 2015 at 11:25 am)abaris Wrote: Same goes for same sex relationships. Only men are mentioned. For the simple reason that women were property.

Here's the thing: Drich is down on homosexuality... which is only mentioned in the old testament. If one were to point out some terrible thing in the old testament, Drich has a long standing habit of dismissing the entire text as ancient Jewish law, and not something that christians need to obey or care about. Homosexuality is not mentioned by Jesus at all.

So, the old testament doesn't count and shouldn't be applied to christians... except for those passages that are convenient for Drich's own bigotry. You're not dealing with someone who actually cares what his holy book says; you're dealing with someone who cares only about his own illusory superiority and how he can lord it over others by clobbering them with whatever passage of his holy book  "counts" today.

Jesus might not say anything in the Gospels about homosexuality, but Paul does:  1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Romans 1:26-27.   Not to mention 1 Timothy 1:9-10 which most scholars think Paul didn't write though Dritch probably thinks he did.   The Romans text is the only mention of female homosexuality I know of:

Quote: The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

Romans 18-27

In fact Paul appears to be a homophob to the point that I've wondered if he wasn't a closeted gay.

But your main point is quite valid. Christians, especially Dritch, do say the OT doesn't count when they don't like what it says, and that it does count when they do like what it says.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god.  If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
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Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Rhondazvous - August 6, 2015 at 11:40 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Minimalist - August 6, 2015 at 11:44 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by brewer - August 6, 2015 at 11:56 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Esquilax - August 6, 2015 at 12:00 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Minimalist - August 6, 2015 at 12:05 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by dyresand - August 6, 2015 at 12:26 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Esquilax - August 6, 2015 at 1:10 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Faith No More - August 6, 2015 at 3:40 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by brewer - August 6, 2015 at 6:01 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by brewer - August 6, 2015 at 8:00 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Rhondazvous - August 6, 2015 at 6:51 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by abaris - August 6, 2015 at 8:04 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Cato - August 6, 2015 at 8:08 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by robvalue - August 6, 2015 at 1:05 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Minimalist - August 6, 2015 at 1:07 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by RobbyPants - August 6, 2015 at 1:17 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Rhondazvous - August 6, 2015 at 7:19 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Pyrrho - August 6, 2015 at 1:26 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Drich - August 6, 2015 at 4:27 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Cato - August 6, 2015 at 8:06 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Drich - August 7, 2015 at 10:20 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Faith No More - August 7, 2015 at 10:30 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Drich - August 7, 2015 at 10:40 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Faith No More - August 7, 2015 at 10:54 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Drich - August 7, 2015 at 11:01 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Faith No More - August 7, 2015 at 11:13 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Drich - August 7, 2015 at 4:43 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Rhondazvous - August 7, 2015 at 11:22 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Faith No More - August 7, 2015 at 11:26 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Rhondazvous - August 7, 2015 at 12:14 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Drich - August 7, 2015 at 4:49 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Rhondazvous - August 7, 2015 at 5:51 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Drich - August 8, 2015 at 9:15 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Rhondazvous - August 8, 2015 at 11:07 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Minimalist - August 6, 2015 at 6:17 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Rhondazvous - August 6, 2015 at 8:10 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Drich - August 7, 2015 at 10:35 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by loganonekenobi - August 13, 2015 at 11:34 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by robvalue - August 7, 2015 at 4:11 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Drich - August 7, 2015 at 10:59 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by abaris - August 7, 2015 at 11:25 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Esquilax - August 7, 2015 at 12:00 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by abaris - August 7, 2015 at 12:55 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Jenny A - August 7, 2015 at 1:17 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Wyrd of Gawd - August 7, 2015 at 4:51 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Rhondazvous - August 7, 2015 at 5:42 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Drich - August 7, 2015 at 5:14 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Drich - August 7, 2015 at 5:05 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by abaris - August 7, 2015 at 5:16 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Drich - August 7, 2015 at 5:36 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by abaris - August 7, 2015 at 6:13 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Drich - August 8, 2015 at 9:28 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by abaris - August 8, 2015 at 9:47 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Drich - August 8, 2015 at 10:19 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Rhondazvous - August 8, 2015 at 11:32 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Wyrd of Gawd - August 9, 2015 at 12:05 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Drich - August 9, 2015 at 10:11 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by abaris - August 8, 2015 at 12:10 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Drich - August 9, 2015 at 10:16 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by orangebox21 - August 7, 2015 at 10:35 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Rhondazvous - August 7, 2015 at 11:32 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by orangebox21 - August 7, 2015 at 12:52 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Rhondazvous - August 7, 2015 at 5:30 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Whateverist - August 7, 2015 at 11:35 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by orangebox21 - August 7, 2015 at 3:56 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Pyrrho - August 7, 2015 at 4:23 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by orangebox21 - August 10, 2015 at 10:16 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Kingpin - August 10, 2015 at 11:17 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by abaris - August 10, 2015 at 11:25 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Wyrd of Gawd - August 12, 2015 at 11:54 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Drich - August 7, 2015 at 5:17 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Wyrd of Gawd - August 7, 2015 at 5:31 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by orangebox21 - August 10, 2015 at 1:29 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Mudhammam - August 12, 2015 at 7:26 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by orangebox21 - August 12, 2015 at 8:42 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Mudhammam - August 12, 2015 at 8:57 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Rhondazvous - August 12, 2015 at 11:20 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by McDoogins - August 10, 2015 at 2:23 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by robvalue - August 12, 2015 at 6:37 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Longhorn - August 12, 2015 at 6:42 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by abaris - August 12, 2015 at 8:52 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by orangebox21 - August 12, 2015 at 11:35 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by abaris - August 12, 2015 at 12:46 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by orangebox21 - August 13, 2015 at 10:22 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by abaris - August 13, 2015 at 10:38 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by orangebox21 - August 14, 2015 at 1:03 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by abaris - August 14, 2015 at 1:54 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by orangebox21 - August 14, 2015 at 3:41 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by abaris - August 14, 2015 at 5:05 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by orangebox21 - August 17, 2015 at 12:27 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by abaris - August 17, 2015 at 12:50 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by orangebox21 - August 18, 2015 at 9:36 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by abaris - August 18, 2015 at 1:48 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by orangebox21 - August 18, 2015 at 3:58 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by abaris - August 18, 2015 at 4:52 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by orangebox21 - August 19, 2015 at 10:10 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by abaris - August 19, 2015 at 10:15 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Whateverist - August 19, 2015 at 10:49 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by LostLocke - August 18, 2015 at 2:00 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Rhondazvous - August 21, 2015 at 10:22 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Whateverist - August 18, 2015 at 10:17 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Rhondazvous - August 13, 2015 at 12:21 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by robvalue - August 12, 2015 at 8:59 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Mudhammam - August 12, 2015 at 9:10 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Rhondazvous - August 12, 2015 at 11:04 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Kingpin - August 12, 2015 at 11:18 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Rhondazvous - August 12, 2015 at 12:27 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Kingpin - August 12, 2015 at 1:14 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by robvalue - August 12, 2015 at 11:57 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Esquilax - August 12, 2015 at 12:15 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by robvalue - August 12, 2015 at 12:34 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Whateverist - August 12, 2015 at 12:37 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by robvalue - August 12, 2015 at 12:41 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by robvalue - August 13, 2015 at 10:29 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Kingpin - August 13, 2015 at 11:07 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by robvalue - August 13, 2015 at 11:34 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Kingpin - August 13, 2015 at 12:01 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by robvalue - August 13, 2015 at 12:07 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Rhondazvous - August 21, 2015 at 11:14 am

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