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Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue?
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RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue?
(August 7, 2015 at 5:16 pm)abaris Wrote:
(August 7, 2015 at 5:05 pm)Drich Wrote: Citation?

Quote:If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life. -- Exodus 21:22-23

Quote:Number the children of Levi after the house of their fathers, by their families: every male from a month old and upward shalt thou number them. And Moses numbered them according to the word of the LORD. -- Numbers 3:15-16

Quote:Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. -- Numbers 31:15-17

Quote:The priest shall say unto the woman, The LORD make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the LORD doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell. And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen. ...
And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people. And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed. -- Numbers 5:21-21, 27-28

Faith no more: Here is another example of a douche bag side stepping an issue. In this guys orginal post he makes a claim abortion was permitted/used by the jews by making a mud solution and injected by a priest if and when the husband suspected unfaithfulness. I knew the passage this guy was referring to and asked him for a citation. what does this d-bag do? He quotes scriptural scraps editing only the fragments that makes his case.

In what honest setting is something like this permitted in the real world? What kind of man would openly try and deceive another when asked for a citation, by provide a heavily edited work that only shows his side?

You like me have to ask yourself is this person just stupid? or is lying so common place he d-bag thinks it's ok to offer a half truth when asked for the whole? I don't truly don't see any gray here. for me this person can only be lying not even stupid, because he was smart enough to edit around everything that conflicts with his telling of numbers 5.

Now I ask you in that light what should my response be? How can I take a person like this seriously/trat him respectfully when and if he can not/will not do the same?

If the roles were reversed and I was so caught upp in a falsehood as to not be able to admit I was wrong I would want a very strong rebuke outlining how and what when wrong with my logic and reason. It is better to have egg on my face than let my corrupt thought process doom me to hell.

Here is the core of Numbers 5 that what's his face did not want you to see:
19 “Then the priest will make the woman promise to tell the truth and say to her: ‘If you have not slept with another man, and if you have not sinned against your husband while you were married to him, then this water that causes trouble will not hurt you. 20 But if you have sinned against your husband—if you had sexual relations with a man who is not your husband—then you are not pure. 21 If that is true, you will have much trouble when you drink this special water. You will not be able to have any children. And if you are pregnant now, your baby will die.[c] And the Lord will cause your people to speak evil of you and curse you.’

“Then the priest must tell the woman to make an oath. She must agree for the Lord to cause these things to happen to her if she lies. 22 The priest must say, ‘You must drink this water that causes trouble. If you have sinned, you will not be able to have children. Any baby you have will die before it is born.’ And the woman should say, ‘I agree to do as you say.’

Women were not being flushed with a mud solution. They were asked to Drink special water that would make them sterial if they were unfaithful, even kill a baby... In essence GOD via this solution was determining guilt. No one was being flushed by mud in some OT Jewish abortion clinic.
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Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Rhondazvous - August 6, 2015 at 11:40 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Minimalist - August 6, 2015 at 11:44 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by brewer - August 6, 2015 at 11:56 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Esquilax - August 6, 2015 at 12:00 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Minimalist - August 6, 2015 at 12:05 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by dyresand - August 6, 2015 at 12:26 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Esquilax - August 6, 2015 at 1:10 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Faith No More - August 6, 2015 at 3:40 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by brewer - August 6, 2015 at 6:01 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by brewer - August 6, 2015 at 8:00 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Rhondazvous - August 6, 2015 at 6:51 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by abaris - August 6, 2015 at 8:04 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Cato - August 6, 2015 at 8:08 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by robvalue - August 6, 2015 at 1:05 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Minimalist - August 6, 2015 at 1:07 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by RobbyPants - August 6, 2015 at 1:17 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Rhondazvous - August 6, 2015 at 7:19 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Pyrrho - August 6, 2015 at 1:26 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Drich - August 6, 2015 at 4:27 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Cato - August 6, 2015 at 8:06 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Drich - August 7, 2015 at 10:20 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Faith No More - August 7, 2015 at 10:30 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Drich - August 7, 2015 at 10:40 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Faith No More - August 7, 2015 at 10:54 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Drich - August 7, 2015 at 11:01 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Faith No More - August 7, 2015 at 11:13 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Drich - August 7, 2015 at 4:43 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Rhondazvous - August 7, 2015 at 11:22 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Faith No More - August 7, 2015 at 11:26 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Rhondazvous - August 7, 2015 at 12:14 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Drich - August 7, 2015 at 4:49 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Rhondazvous - August 7, 2015 at 5:51 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Drich - August 8, 2015 at 9:15 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Rhondazvous - August 8, 2015 at 11:07 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Minimalist - August 6, 2015 at 6:17 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Rhondazvous - August 6, 2015 at 8:10 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Drich - August 7, 2015 at 10:35 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by loganonekenobi - August 13, 2015 at 11:34 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by robvalue - August 7, 2015 at 4:11 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Drich - August 7, 2015 at 10:59 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by abaris - August 7, 2015 at 11:25 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Esquilax - August 7, 2015 at 12:00 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by abaris - August 7, 2015 at 12:55 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Jenny A - August 7, 2015 at 1:17 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Wyrd of Gawd - August 7, 2015 at 4:51 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Rhondazvous - August 7, 2015 at 5:42 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Drich - August 7, 2015 at 5:14 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Drich - August 7, 2015 at 5:05 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by abaris - August 7, 2015 at 5:16 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Drich - August 7, 2015 at 5:36 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by abaris - August 7, 2015 at 6:13 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Drich - August 8, 2015 at 9:28 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by abaris - August 8, 2015 at 9:47 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Drich - August 8, 2015 at 10:19 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Rhondazvous - August 8, 2015 at 11:32 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Wyrd of Gawd - August 9, 2015 at 12:05 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Drich - August 9, 2015 at 10:11 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by abaris - August 8, 2015 at 12:10 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Drich - August 9, 2015 at 10:16 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by orangebox21 - August 7, 2015 at 10:35 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Rhondazvous - August 7, 2015 at 11:32 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by orangebox21 - August 7, 2015 at 12:52 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Rhondazvous - August 7, 2015 at 5:30 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Whateverist - August 7, 2015 at 11:35 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by orangebox21 - August 7, 2015 at 3:56 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Pyrrho - August 7, 2015 at 4:23 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by orangebox21 - August 10, 2015 at 10:16 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Kingpin - August 10, 2015 at 11:17 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by abaris - August 10, 2015 at 11:25 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Wyrd of Gawd - August 12, 2015 at 11:54 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Drich - August 7, 2015 at 5:17 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Wyrd of Gawd - August 7, 2015 at 5:31 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by orangebox21 - August 10, 2015 at 1:29 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Mudhammam - August 12, 2015 at 7:26 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by orangebox21 - August 12, 2015 at 8:42 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Mudhammam - August 12, 2015 at 8:57 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Rhondazvous - August 12, 2015 at 11:20 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by McDoogins - August 10, 2015 at 2:23 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by robvalue - August 12, 2015 at 6:37 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Longhorn - August 12, 2015 at 6:42 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by abaris - August 12, 2015 at 8:52 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by orangebox21 - August 12, 2015 at 11:35 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by abaris - August 12, 2015 at 12:46 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by orangebox21 - August 13, 2015 at 10:22 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by abaris - August 13, 2015 at 10:38 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by orangebox21 - August 14, 2015 at 1:03 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by abaris - August 14, 2015 at 1:54 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by orangebox21 - August 14, 2015 at 3:41 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by abaris - August 14, 2015 at 5:05 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by orangebox21 - August 17, 2015 at 12:27 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by abaris - August 17, 2015 at 12:50 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by orangebox21 - August 18, 2015 at 9:36 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by abaris - August 18, 2015 at 1:48 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by orangebox21 - August 18, 2015 at 3:58 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by abaris - August 18, 2015 at 4:52 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by orangebox21 - August 19, 2015 at 10:10 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by abaris - August 19, 2015 at 10:15 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Whateverist - August 19, 2015 at 10:49 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by LostLocke - August 18, 2015 at 2:00 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Rhondazvous - August 21, 2015 at 10:22 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Whateverist - August 18, 2015 at 10:17 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Rhondazvous - August 13, 2015 at 12:21 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by robvalue - August 12, 2015 at 8:59 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Mudhammam - August 12, 2015 at 9:10 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Rhondazvous - August 12, 2015 at 11:04 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Kingpin - August 12, 2015 at 11:18 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Rhondazvous - August 12, 2015 at 12:27 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Kingpin - August 12, 2015 at 1:14 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by robvalue - August 12, 2015 at 11:57 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Esquilax - August 12, 2015 at 12:15 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by robvalue - August 12, 2015 at 12:34 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Whateverist - August 12, 2015 at 12:37 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by robvalue - August 12, 2015 at 12:41 pm
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by robvalue - August 13, 2015 at 10:29 am
RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Kingpin - August 13, 2015 at 11:07 am
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RE: Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? - by Kingpin - August 13, 2015 at 12:01 pm
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