A few points of conflict with Jackie L's (Eilonnwy) article.

[tavarish]

The whole point is... that we live in a patriarchal society, and as such the purposes of the male gender are served where the female gender takes a back seat to that. It's a fact of our lives. What you're doing here, if you support Tav's argument, is saying that the privilege afforded to males isn't privilege at all, but is the perfect balance.

Where did I say anything was balanced?

Are you enjoying constructing straw men? I know your hands must be awfully tired. Did I not say "Life isn't fair"? Does that imply a perfect balance that we should do nothing about? Does that mean I favor any aspect of the premise?

@ Tav:

1. You truncated eli's word to ridicule them. What she said wasn't what you quoted. I hope that's dumbed down enough for you.

*buzz* WRONG!

I quoted her directly in a response that she made to a question I posed. Her answer was bullshit. Even following the context of the entire response, it's bullshit. I asked her why we can't disregard race, and she replies with "because we can't" and "I've had bad experiences." It's a non fucking sequitur.

2. Bigoted assholes represent us as a society. If society condones an inequality then the society gets to shoulder the blame. You are of course trying to cite extremes to avoid the label. Unfortunately the cap still fits.

Who are these bigoted assholes that represent us?

5. If the guy in another country by the standards of that country being the same as my own beats his wife... sure it's my problem. Nice diversion tactic - nothing to do with the subject.

It's exactly your point. You're making me guilty of something I have no interest in doing, and something I actually abhor. I don't beat my spouse, therefore it's not my burden to bear if someone else does it. If someone asks for help, or I can do something in preventing such abuse, I will do it. But to insinuate that I'm guilty a priori of something another person did for the simple reason that I was born a man, then that's fucking nuts.

6. see above

read and comprehend above.

7. What Eli is saying certainly applies to this forum. As members of this civilised society we're all culpable for it's shortcomings.

*buzz* WRONG AGAIN.

It applies to this forum that on average we're sexist, homophobic, misogynistic, and racist? Are you even trying to make that argument? Let's get this clear: I'm no more accountable for your words than you are of mine. What a person says defines them alone - it does not reflect on a community that has no internal doctrine. I accept responsibility for what comes out of my mouth, and what I type. I don't bear the brunt of some racist slurs that I don't agree with simply because we have the same type of genitals, our skin tone is the same, we live on the same block, or have similar answers to ideological questions.

8. Go take a look at the objectification thread. And what was the point of you linking us to pictures of your GF?

What exactly was bigoted about the thread? The fact that I said some women should be careful when going out at night and practice risk assessment?

As far as the girlfriend pics, what exactly is bigoted about it? I displayed mine just as others did theirs. It's interesting to see the members of the forum you're a part of and the people they're with. Is it also bigoted of me to befriend people on this forum on facebook, where they can *gasp* see my pictures and my girlfriend's? I guess that would be the ultimate bigotry.


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