RE: Fact, every single german nazi was a christian
August 13, 2015 at 7:33 pm
(This post was last modified: August 13, 2015 at 7:36 pm by Dystopia.)
(August 13, 2015 at 6:08 pm)Gawdzilla Wrote:(August 13, 2015 at 2:36 pm)Cephus Wrote: Yes it can be. Atheism, however, has no choice. You can't be a religious atheist, that's an oxymoron.
Who said otherwise?
Are you kidding me ? Atheism is the lack of belief in gods or the strong disbelief in them, it doesn't mean you can't adhere to a non-theistic religion - It may seem weird for westerns but many eastern and asian small religions don't require belief in any supreme god or anything like that - In fact, I think it was Reza Aslan who said 1/3 or 2/3 (not really sure here) of religions on earth don't have a god. So yeah, you can be a religious atheist. There's nothing contradicting about it.
Atheism isn't secularism as you can be an atheist and favor a theocracy or think religion is better than atheism like our ex-friend Mozart Link thought, if that is right or wrong it's another question
Parkers dear Parkers, here's some info about the census on wiki:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Census_(1937)
Religious part is quoted:
Quote:Another serious blow was a very high percentage of people who stated that they were religious. 55.3 million or 56.7% of those who provided answers stated they were religious (the question was asked only of people older than 16 years old), 42.2 million stated they were atheists and around 1 million refused to give an answer. Historian V. B. Zhiromskaya stated that people expected to be persecuted if they declared themselves as belonging to a religion but considered the answer to be important: If many people would say they are religious, the authorities would have to open the churches, was a common attitude.[5] The Soviet authorities were so upset by the results of the census that they did not include a question on religion in any future censuses.[
Bear in mind that additional reading is required but this is a pretty decent exposure of the mentality going on - This isn't about people killing in the name of atheism as we understand it today but about promoting state atheism and rejecting people who believe in anything other than dialectic materialism. They killed in the name of atheism and in the name of marxism, but it isn't atheism as we define it today - Arguably, it isn't marxism as defined by many marxists today. People don't share blame for what their ancestors did, so no worries there. Of course not every source will admit that these people would be executed right away, but we know that opponents of the regime, which were people who didn't share the whole common ideology, could be sent to gulags right away, or even for no reason.
Abaris, I'm against single minded exposures and analysis of anything but you have to acknowledge scientific racism theories that were prevalent in the western world (not just Germany) and already being slightly carried out like it happened in California had a higher influence on Hitler's view that Christianity itself. There's little in Christianity to justify the kind of nazi racism and their scientific, physically measurable perfect race and how they split the white race into various sects (Nordics, Germans, Mediterraneans, etc.)
I strongly disagree with people saying that Communist Russia worked like a religion - Political ideologies have similarities to religion but it's really not the same - The cult of personality is just a "healthy" part of the system, it's not the core ideology of the worker's movement. Arguably, capitalism requires worship and complete submission to the market and democracy requires almost blind acceptance of freedom as a virtue and anyone who dares saying freedom is bad is called a fascist, so who's being religions after all?
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you


