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JUST OPEN YOUR HEART, DAMMIT!
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RE: JUST OPEN YOUR HEART, DAMMIT!
(August 16, 2015 at 11:04 pm)Godschild Wrote:
(August 16, 2015 at 3:25 pm)Thena323 Wrote: Non-theists are often accused of not reading the Bible (or any holy book) with an open heart. Do theists understand what they're asking of atheists when they suggest this? I'm sincerely interested in understanding what reading religious texts "with an open heart" actually means to theists. Non-theists as well. Thanks.

I try not to say to atheist to read with an open heart, instead I say with an open mind or to not limit themselves to just one passage and then pass judgement on a subject or entire Bible. I often say to atheist to study the Bible or actually a subject within the Bible before they condemn what the Bible says on a particular subject, then what do I hear, tell me the verses, that's me doing their study and yet if I were to do that they would still deny what the scriptures say about a subject without ever studying and probably without reading what I had to say, very illogical for those who claim to have a logical mind. Logic is a big part of understanding the scriptures. Some subjects in the Bible will not become clear without reading on the subject in both the NT and OT, yes just like studying a subject in school the answers come from actual study, to cherry pick a science book or the Bible means one cares little for what either has to say and will always bring condemnation from the cherry picker. A non-believer or Christian who ties to understand the deeper meanings that only God can reveal will never get it unless the Holy Spirit reveals it, the Christian should understand this and the non-believer seems to believe there is no deeper meaning, I've seen different.
I will always say to a Christian to read the Bible with the help of the Holy Spirit and keep your heart open to what He has to say, why, because they should be looking to the spiritual for a deeper and/or greater meaning than can come from a surface reading and understanding of scripture, they are to be looking to grow in a relationship with God, unlike non-believers who should be searching for God.

GC
Many atheists, being former believers are quite familiar with the book. I actually participated in Bible study on a regular basis as a Christian. I found that cherry-picking was actually the only way I could justify believing the Bible was actually the Word of God. Logic was not at all a big part of understanding the scriptures, as you have suggested. It was quite the opposite for me; I couldn't employ logic to believe things that defied physics and every law of nature. I had to compartmentalize my beliefs in order to maintain them.
Btw, why should non-believers be searching for God? Should non-believers in Puff the Magic Dragon, be searching for him? What would be the point in that?
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JUST OPEN YOUR HEART, DAMMIT! - by Athene - August 16, 2015 at 3:25 pm
RE: JUST OPEN YOUR HEART, DAMMIT! - by Minimalist - August 16, 2015 at 3:27 pm
RE: JUST OPEN YOUR HEART, DAMMIT! - by Longhorn - August 16, 2015 at 3:28 pm
RE: JUST OPEN YOUR HEART, DAMMIT! - by Athene - August 16, 2015 at 3:52 pm
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RE: JUST OPEN YOUR HEART, DAMMIT! - by Athene - August 16, 2015 at 3:44 pm
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RE: JUST OPEN YOUR HEART, DAMMIT! - by Longhorn - August 16, 2015 at 6:01 pm
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RE: JUST OPEN YOUR HEART, DAMMIT! - by Minimalist - August 18, 2015 at 2:04 am
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