(August 17, 2015 at 4:00 pm)Godschild Wrote:Forgive me for being indelicate, but I've just gotten off of work and I'm not patient when I'm tired.(August 16, 2015 at 11:43 pm)Thena323 Wrote: Many atheists, being former believers are quite familiar with the book. I actually participated in Bible study on a regular basis as a Christian. I found that cherry-picking was actually the only way I could justify believing the Bible was actually the Word of God. Logic was not at all a big part of understanding the scriptures, as you have suggested. It was quite the opposite for me; I couldn't employ logic to believe things that defied physics and every law of nature. I had to compartmentalize my beliefs in order to maintain them.
Btw, why should non-believers be searching for God? Should non-believers in Puff the Magic Dragon, be searching for him? What would be the point in that?
I have a very simple answer for your question, believers do not need to find God they already have it's those who do not believe that need to search, they don't have to and I wasn't saying they had to it's their choice. As far as Puff goes his creator has said he is fictional and only non-believers say God is fictional, and might I add with no proof.
I noticed when you said you did Bible study you didn't mention the guidance of the Holy Spirit, didn't your church believe in the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Also if you had to cherry pick it seems to me you were trying to live a life as what you believed Christians should instead of growing in a relationship with God and allowing Him to teach you. Why would you believe that the spiritual world would have to hold to the physics of the physical world, that makes no sense to me, God being the creator and being outside of nature can accomplish whatever He desires, at least Christians are taught this through the scriptures.
I also can't understand how you could not see how things in scripture tied together, what denomination did you belong to?
GC
FYI, I never asked why believers need to find God, I asked why non-believers need to do so... so, please read carefully.
I'm familiar with the concept of the Holy Spirit and I don't care. God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit......it's all the same shit, in that it's all made up.
I don't believe the spiritual world is subject to the laws of the physical world, because there is no spiritual world. No one's ever observed or studied this mysterious realm... because it's not real. I can't accept something as truth, based what others feel. Why would anyone in their right mind base their entire life on crap other people claim they felt?
The claim that non-believers need to embrace Christianity specifically is ridiculous enough, without having to listen to some garbage about why one denomination is the really, really right path to god. It's all the same bullshit.
The men who wrote the Bible blew it. Christians claim it's the infallible Word of God, but one needs to go no further than Genesis to see that the men who wrote it didn't know what the hell they were talking about. If they were inspired by God, they would've gotten that shit right. Busted. Game over. Dudes wrote it.
And the evil shit Christians like to gloss over, that makes people wonder "Why would a loving God do that?"
Here's a plausible scenario. No loving God would do that... But, a Bronze Age, tribal motherfucker would. Why is the God of the Bible so jealous, vengeful, violent and petty? Probably because the assholes who MADE HIM UP were.
I don't need to prove God isn't real, just as I don't need to prove that a Xenon isn't real..........until evidence is provided that they exist, I'll assume they don't.
P.S. 'God is real because the Bible says he's real' and 'The Bible's true because the Bible says it's true' ain't evidence.