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JUST OPEN YOUR HEART, DAMMIT!
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RE: JUST OPEN YOUR HEART, DAMMIT!
(August 18, 2015 at 4:17 am)robvalue Wrote: I've watched loads of Steve Shives "an atheist reads", where he critiques apologists books. These apparently represent some of the better arguments for belief in the bible and such.

My god, they are awful. All of them. They are a minefield of logical fallacies, incoherent nonsense and blatant presupposition.

Anyhow, if the bible (or Quran, whatever) is meant to be as special as I'm told it is, I shouldn't need any help getting the correct message. The idea that a god would choose this method of communication is absolutely ridiculous.

He didn't, rob. At least not exclusively.

Jesus promised to build a Church, and he did so beginning with Peter and the other apostles.

The New Testament followed relatively quickly to be sure, but it was written by the Church for the Church under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. However, people were hearing and accepting the gospel BEFORE the first book of the New Testament was penned.

Today, we look to Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition (oral teaching) and the teaching authority of the Church which Jesus established.

However, the Bible IS a complex book, and Protestantism has fallen into many errors precisely because it relies on sola scriptura (the Bible Alone).
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JUST OPEN YOUR HEART, DAMMIT! - by Athene - August 16, 2015 at 3:25 pm
RE: JUST OPEN YOUR HEART, DAMMIT! - by Minimalist - August 16, 2015 at 3:27 pm
RE: JUST OPEN YOUR HEART, DAMMIT! - by Longhorn - August 16, 2015 at 3:28 pm
RE: JUST OPEN YOUR HEART, DAMMIT! - by Athene - August 16, 2015 at 3:52 pm
RE: JUST OPEN YOUR HEART, DAMMIT! - by robvalue - August 16, 2015 at 3:29 pm
RE: JUST OPEN YOUR HEART, DAMMIT! - by brewer - August 16, 2015 at 3:31 pm
RE: JUST OPEN YOUR HEART, DAMMIT! - by Chad32 - August 16, 2015 at 3:37 pm
RE: JUST OPEN YOUR HEART, DAMMIT! - by robvalue - August 16, 2015 at 3:40 pm
RE: JUST OPEN YOUR HEART, DAMMIT! - by Athene - August 16, 2015 at 3:44 pm
RE: JUST OPEN YOUR HEART, DAMMIT! - by IATIA - August 16, 2015 at 5:53 pm
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RE: JUST OPEN YOUR HEART, DAMMIT! - by Longhorn - August 16, 2015 at 3:45 pm
RE: JUST OPEN YOUR HEART, DAMMIT! - by robvalue - August 16, 2015 at 3:47 pm
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RE: JUST OPEN YOUR HEART, DAMMIT! - by Salacious B. Crumb - August 16, 2015 at 4:02 pm
RE: JUST OPEN YOUR HEART, DAMMIT! - by Homeless Nutter - August 16, 2015 at 4:09 pm
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RE: JUST OPEN YOUR HEART, DAMMIT! - by abaris - August 16, 2015 at 5:59 pm
RE: JUST OPEN YOUR HEART, DAMMIT! - by Longhorn - August 16, 2015 at 6:01 pm
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RE: JUST OPEN YOUR HEART, DAMMIT! - by Athene - August 16, 2015 at 7:45 pm
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RE: JUST OPEN YOUR HEART, DAMMIT! - by Athene - August 16, 2015 at 8:17 pm
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RE: JUST OPEN YOUR HEART, DAMMIT! - by Athene - August 16, 2015 at 8:25 pm
RE: JUST OPEN YOUR HEART, DAMMIT! - by Minimalist - August 18, 2015 at 2:04 am
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RE: JUST OPEN YOUR HEART, DAMMIT! - by abaris - August 16, 2015 at 8:51 pm
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RE: JUST OPEN YOUR HEART, DAMMIT! - by Chad32 - August 16, 2015 at 7:21 pm
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RE: JUST OPEN YOUR HEART, DAMMIT! - by robvalue - August 17, 2015 at 3:12 am
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RE: JUST OPEN YOUR HEART, DAMMIT! - by robvalue - August 18, 2015 at 4:51 am
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RE: JUST OPEN YOUR HEART, DAMMIT! - by Homeless Nutter - August 19, 2015 at 8:11 am
RE: JUST OPEN YOUR HEART, DAMMIT! - by Randy Carson - August 19, 2015 at 11:00 am
RE: JUST OPEN YOUR HEART, DAMMIT! - by robvalue - August 19, 2015 at 3:26 am
RE: JUST OPEN YOUR HEART, DAMMIT! - by Athene - August 19, 2015 at 4:56 am
RE: JUST OPEN YOUR HEART, DAMMIT! - by robvalue - August 19, 2015 at 5:29 am
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RE: JUST OPEN YOUR HEART, DAMMIT! - by Randy Carson - August 19, 2015 at 8:24 am
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RE: JUST OPEN YOUR HEART, DAMMIT! - by robvalue - August 19, 2015 at 9:07 am
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RE: JUST OPEN YOUR HEART, DAMMIT! - by Randy Carson - August 21, 2015 at 1:24 am
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RE: JUST OPEN YOUR HEART, DAMMIT! - by robvalue - August 19, 2015 at 11:51 pm
RE: JUST OPEN YOUR HEART, DAMMIT! - by Athene - August 20, 2015 at 12:07 am
RE: JUST OPEN YOUR HEART, DAMMIT! - by robvalue - August 20, 2015 at 12:23 am
RE: JUST OPEN YOUR HEART, DAMMIT! - by Ayen - August 20, 2015 at 12:39 am
RE: JUST OPEN YOUR HEART, DAMMIT! - by robvalue - August 20, 2015 at 1:10 am
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RE: JUST OPEN YOUR HEART, DAMMIT! - by Redbeard The Pink - August 20, 2015 at 10:31 am
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