(August 19, 2015 at 8:08 am)Randy Carson Wrote:(August 19, 2015 at 12:43 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: No, I've noticed they tend to use the word "miracle," but Thena's right. They're magic tricks. It's the same thing.
Magic: the power of apparently influencing the course of events by using mysterious or supernatural forces
Miracle: an event not explicable by natural or scientific laws. Such an event may be attributed to a supernatural being (god or gods), a miracle worker, a saint or a religious leader.
Miracles are nothing more than a god-people term for white magic. They could just call it white magic, but then they'd be admitting their connections to paganism, so they've found a more suitable word for an equally ridiculous idea.
There's that word "tricks" again. And again, you've ignored the fact that words have connotations associated with them that go beyond the dictionary definition.
There are lots of articles on the Internet describing the distinctions between miracles and magic; here is one targeted at middle-schoolers:
What is the Difference Between Miracles and Magic?
by Digger Doug
http://www.apologeticspress.org/Discover...ticle=2173
Dear reader,
First, magic can be used just for fun. Miracles were not just “for fun.” They were visible signs that a person was acting or speaking on God’s behalf (read Exodus 3:12-4:14).
Second, magic can be used to deceive. Miracles, on the other hand, were never used for deception. Rather, they were used to teach important spiritual lessons (like when Elijah asked God to perform a miracle on Mount Carmel to show that Baal was a false god—1 Kings 18:20-40). Miracles also were used to help people (like when Jesus healed a blind man—John 9:1-41).
Third, magic isn’t “real.” When a magician makes a woman “disappear,” she doesn’t really disappear into thin air. But miracles were real—very real! When Moses stretched his rod across the Red Sea and caused the waters to part so the Israelites could walk across on dry land, it was no trick. Moses (through God’s power) really did what the Bible says he did (read Exodus 13:14-22). When Pharaoh’s army followed the Israelites, and Moses caused the waters to come back together to destroy the Egyptians, the soldiers and horses really died (read Exodus 13:26-28).
Fourth, magic is intended to entertain us and show us the magician’s talent. That is not true of miracles. Their purpose never was to entertain an audience or to demonstrate how talented a person was. They were performed in order to show people the way to heaven.
"Blah blah blah, my Gaud does real magic, and that's what makes it miracles."
It's all supernatural power that breaks science, Randy. I'm not gonna read your patronizing little middle school pamphlet. Go fuck yourself.
Verbatim from the mouth of Jesus (retranslated from a retranslation of a copy of a copy):
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
Also, I has a website: www.RedbeardThePink.com
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
Also, I has a website: www.RedbeardThePink.com