RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
August 25, 2015 at 7:58 pm
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(August 25, 2015 at 9:10 am)Rekeisha Wrote:(August 24, 2015 at 1:53 pm)Ayen Wrote: What they ate from was called the 'Tree of Forbidden Knowledge of Good and Evil.' Meaning that before they ate this they didn't know what good and evil were. They didn't know until AFTER they ate of said tree. Furthermore, God did not say, "Eat and your spirit will die." He simply said, "You will die," with no further explanation. Eve was reciting what she was told, and since you do subscribe to the snake = Satan belief, explain to me why God punished snakes at all. They had feet, and now they don't because they were framed by the devil. God's justice is a little skewered there.
I'm a man who sweats, and according to the bible sweat was a punishment to Adam after he disobeyed. All women now feel pain in childbirth because Eve ate a fruit. Yes, according to your book, he IS judging us for their sins. He's punishing an entire species for the act of two people and a devil snake. It's right there in black and white.
All of this could have been avoided with one simple act: DON'T PUT THE FUCKING TREE THERE!
Gen 3:8 The Lord God planted a garden in Eden, in the east, and there He placed the man He had formed. 9 The Lord God caused to grow out of the ground every tree pleasing in appearance and good for food, including the tree of life in the middle of the garden, as well as the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
So it is the knowledge of Good and evil but that doesn't mean she didn't know what she should not do and what she should do. Gen 3:2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat the fruit from the trees in the garden. 3 But about the fruit of the tree in the middle of the garden, God said, ‘You must not eat it or touch it, or you will die.’”
Her last part was an addition God didn't say that you would surly die if you ate it. She could have ask God and her husband was right there so he could have said something too.
Gen 2:16...“You are free to eat from any tree of the garden, 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for on the day you eat from it, you will certainly die.”
It doesn't matter wither God said spiritual or physical, they wouldn't have understood what death was anyway, they should have just obeyed. I don't explain everything to my children some things they can't fully understand. If I don't want them doing something harmful I don't need to explain all of the details I just need them to obey.
Adam and Eve had the entire garden to eat from yet the one tree and the only one negative command they had was don't eat from the tree of good and evil. God was giving them a chance to obey or disobey. To choose to trust him or distrust. God says if you obey His commands you love Him and it is only by faith that you can please Him and are justified. We have this choice and our choices do effect our children. We don't sin in a vacuum. Our decision will do harm or bless others. Their decision ruined themselves and their children. They allowed a spiritual sickness to invade all of humanity. Still God had a plan to redeem us through His own sacrifice on the cross so that whoever puts their trust in Him repents and accepts His death on the cross can be brought back into a right relationship with God. The curses were just a sign to us all that something isn't right and we need to be fixed.
As for the snake not totally clear on that but I do know that it is a metaphor. Every time Adam's decedents would see the snake they would have been reminded that they had lost something because of sin and they would also know that God had given them a promise to defeat the snake. If you look in the Bible you see the snake throughout scripture as a sign of sin/Satan and God's promise to defeat the snake at the same time.
When your kids disobey do you kick them out of the house with nothing but the clothes on their back?
Do you put the thing that's harmful somewhere where they can get to it when you're not there?
I'm going to assume no, because any parent that did would be a neglectful piece of shit. Choice? What choice? If God knows everything then we have no choice, and there isn't much choice between, "Do what I tell you, or you're going to hell," which is the whole basis of Christianity and why you need to follow Jesus in the first place. That doesn't even get into why he needs to go through the whole 'Jesus' ordeal YEARS later to do something that should take the snap of a finger if he really is all powerful, but that's the problem when you take such a story as fact. The facts don't add up. Although, even when you look at it as a piece of fiction as the rest of us do the thing has more plot holes than the Star Wars saga after the Prequels.