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Existence of Jesus
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RE: Existence of Jesus
(February 18, 2009 at 12:23 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: I know Occam's razor says when everything is otherwise the same then the least entities postulated is the most parsimonious.

But as it says everything otherwise the same - there are exceptions right?

Perhaps its more likely that a character is based on someone than just made up from scratch for instance?
Ah, but it's just that probability that we're trying to calculate. Everything else is the same: we have exactly zero evidence supporting or refuting any of the scenarios, and they only differ in the whether 'Jesus' exists or not. So, since the 'Jesus-less' one is more parsimonious (it has one less entity than the others), it is more likely to be true than the others (according to Occam's Razor, at least).

(February 18, 2009 at 12:23 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: I mean I'm going by how I think an awful lot of characters are based on someone rather than totally made up. And I think the founder of Christianity would perhaps be MORE of a target of exaggeration and making a big deal of. Perhaps more likely than making the whole thing up 100%. I dunno.
But why is it more likely?

(February 18, 2009 at 12:23 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: So my question is - is it perhaps more likely in general that 'characters' are based especially in situations like this perhaps?
No: without evidence supporting their existence, these characters are no more likely to exist (or to be based on then-living people) than giants and leprechauns.

(February 18, 2009 at 12:23 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: Perhaps we should just say: "it is more parsimonious to assume that there was no Jesus at all than to assume the supernatural Jesus of the bible was based on someone that we could call the 'real' Jesus." ?

Is it necessarily more likely, statistically?

Have I said anything worthwhile here or am I MERELY confusing myself as opposed to just confusing myself while I'm trying to think this through Tongue?

EvF
Anything you say is worthwhile! Though you seem to be confusing 'parsimony' with 'plausible'. A theory is parsimonious if it is simple (i.e., lacks any unnecessary entities), and Occam's Razor says that the more parsimonious something is, the more likely it is to be true.
"I am a scientist... when I find evidence that my theories are wrong, it is as exciting as if the evidence proved them right." - Stargate: SG1

A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, -- a mere heart of stone. - Charles Darwin
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Existence of Jesus - by WWLD - January 11, 2009 at 8:43 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by lukec - January 12, 2009 at 3:10 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Kyuuketsuki - January 12, 2009 at 6:07 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Edwardo Piet - January 12, 2009 at 12:25 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by DD_8630 - January 13, 2009 at 6:19 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by CoxRox - January 13, 2009 at 7:43 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by DD_8630 - January 13, 2009 at 9:20 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Edwardo Piet - January 19, 2009 at 8:07 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by DD_8630 - January 19, 2009 at 2:05 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Edwardo Piet - February 16, 2009 at 9:51 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by bozo - January 12, 2009 at 3:30 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Giff - January 13, 2009 at 9:17 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by WWLD - January 13, 2009 at 8:16 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by lukec - January 14, 2009 at 5:04 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by WWLD - January 19, 2009 at 12:36 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by chatpilot - January 20, 2009 at 7:35 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Giff - January 31, 2009 at 9:12 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by chatpilot - January 31, 2009 at 3:33 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Giff - February 1, 2009 at 9:23 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by chatpilot - February 1, 2009 at 12:48 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by chatpilot - February 1, 2009 at 3:47 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Giff - February 2, 2009 at 8:31 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by chatpilot - February 2, 2009 at 2:45 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by downbeatplumb - February 2, 2009 at 3:51 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by chatpilot - February 3, 2009 at 1:29 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Giff - February 9, 2009 at 12:45 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by chatpilot - February 9, 2009 at 1:51 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by chatpilot - February 16, 2009 at 6:37 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by DD_8630 - February 17, 2009 at 8:06 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Edwardo Piet - February 17, 2009 at 12:56 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by DD_8630 - February 17, 2009 at 3:08 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Edwardo Piet - February 17, 2009 at 5:21 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by DD_8630 - February 17, 2009 at 8:56 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Edwardo Piet - February 18, 2009 at 7:03 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Kyuuketsuki - February 18, 2009 at 7:37 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by DD_8630 - February 18, 2009 at 9:11 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Edwardo Piet - February 18, 2009 at 7:50 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Edwardo Piet - February 18, 2009 at 12:23 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by DD_8630 - February 18, 2009 at 8:32 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by chatpilot - February 18, 2009 at 12:24 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Rockthatpiano06 - February 18, 2009 at 1:43 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Edwardo Piet - February 18, 2009 at 3:13 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Edwardo Piet - February 18, 2009 at 10:36 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Kyuuketsuki - February 19, 2009 at 4:26 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by DD_8630 - February 19, 2009 at 8:57 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Bungy - February 19, 2009 at 8:24 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Kyuuketsuki - February 19, 2009 at 8:51 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Edwardo Piet - February 19, 2009 at 9:51 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by chatpilot - February 20, 2009 at 4:14 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Edwardo Piet - February 20, 2009 at 5:42 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by chatpilot - February 21, 2009 at 11:51 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by DD_8630 - February 21, 2009 at 6:44 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Edwardo Piet - February 21, 2009 at 1:20 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Edwardo Piet - February 22, 2009 at 1:25 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by chatpilot - February 23, 2009 at 1:41 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Edwardo Piet - February 24, 2009 at 11:43 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by chatpilot - February 25, 2009 at 8:43 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Edwardo Piet - February 26, 2009 at 9:10 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by chatpilot - February 27, 2009 at 3:57 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Edwardo Piet - February 28, 2009 at 7:06 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by chatpilot - February 28, 2009 at 12:40 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Edwardo Piet - February 28, 2009 at 12:45 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by chatpilot - February 28, 2009 at 12:54 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Edwardo Piet - February 28, 2009 at 1:24 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by chatpilot - March 6, 2009 at 4:08 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Kyuuketsuki - March 10, 2009 at 5:20 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Edwardo Piet - March 6, 2009 at 4:14 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Tiberius - March 6, 2009 at 8:39 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Edwardo Piet - March 6, 2009 at 8:40 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by chatpilot - March 9, 2009 at 11:56 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Mark - March 9, 2009 at 12:59 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Edwardo Piet - March 10, 2009 at 7:29 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by chatpilot - March 10, 2009 at 11:03 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Mark - March 10, 2009 at 1:38 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by chatpilot - March 11, 2009 at 9:56 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Kyuuketsuki - March 11, 2009 at 10:01 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Mark - March 11, 2009 at 2:03 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Kyuuketsuki - March 11, 2009 at 6:08 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Mark - March 12, 2009 at 8:40 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Kyuuketsuki - March 12, 2009 at 9:33 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Mark - March 12, 2009 at 12:51 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Kyuuketsuki - March 12, 2009 at 4:50 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Mark - March 13, 2009 at 9:26 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Giff - March 12, 2009 at 9:33 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Mark - March 12, 2009 at 10:31 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Edwardo Piet - March 11, 2009 at 11:31 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by chatpilot - March 12, 2009 at 10:13 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Kyuuketsuki - March 12, 2009 at 10:35 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Giff - March 13, 2009 at 9:18 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Mark - March 13, 2009 at 11:48 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Mark - March 12, 2009 at 10:39 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Kyuuketsuki - March 12, 2009 at 11:17 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Mark - March 12, 2009 at 11:19 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Kyuuketsuki - March 12, 2009 at 11:42 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by chatpilot - March 13, 2009 at 11:08 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by josef rosenkranz - March 13, 2009 at 3:20 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Kyuuketsuki - March 13, 2009 at 7:37 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Mark - March 16, 2009 at 1:53 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Kyuuketsuki - March 17, 2009 at 4:29 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Mark - March 17, 2009 at 10:53 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Kyuuketsuki - March 17, 2009 at 11:10 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Mark - March 17, 2009 at 11:44 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Kyuuketsuki - March 17, 2009 at 6:33 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by chatpilot - March 14, 2009 at 10:47 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by josef rosenkranz - March 14, 2009 at 2:55 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by chatpilot - March 16, 2009 at 10:27 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by chatpilot - March 17, 2009 at 9:59 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Wacko's chimp - March 17, 2009 at 6:39 pm

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