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[Drich]

Grab some popcorn y'all... The fun starts now!

If you only knew, if you only knew.. Muwhaha

Well, you see, I actually spent the better part of my day researching this and hashing it out;

you on the other hand pulled this out of your ass in like five seconds because you were butt hurt over the fact that someone disagrees with your religious views, so... Yeah...

empty speculation; "You see, when you make an assertion as you are doing in this statement, you also need to explain the reasoning behind your point. "

My good Christian friend, you need to learn how to craft a basic argument. You see, when you make an assertion as you are doing in this statement, you also need to explain the reasoning behind your point. This is 6th grade shit we're talking here. Learning how to spell would also do you some good. Well, being that your god is a horrible writer, I guess it comes as no surprise that some of his followers are too. Go figure...

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Oh, bother..
Sorry sport, but you failed to identify the subject matter. Your speaking as if I am trying to identify your friend and her take on the rapture as the subject. When in reality the subject is you and you complete lack of exegetical intrest, on the her theological take. That is why I said what she said about the rapture was close enough, and why I went on to say their was no need for correction. I was pointing out that your intrest was just to pu-poo on your friend, and not correct her theology.

Yeah; well being that nobody can really communicate with Christ and all we have from him is a vague book that is open to interpretation, how is anyone supposed to determine what he would consider a true Christian?

Christ said in mat 6 "we shall know them by their fruit." Meaning we can identifiy each other by what we produce in His name.
 

If you do not live naked and in a hollowed out (through natural erosion) tree you are abusing the environment. "Take no thought of tomorrow" is what is called a verse scrap. It does not reflect the context of the message. Both of you (him for using the verse scrap as a excuse for wanting to drive cars and have electricity, and you saying the verse scrap make Jesus Immoral) are foolish and guilt of mining the bible for scraps to justify what you want to believe. This is an intellectually dishonest practice.

(and I say this only in the dramatic sense) OH MY GOD!!! No! No! No! No! No! No! I do not have enough enough face nor enough palm right now!! You dimwit; No, that is not what I meant when I said abusing the environment and it's completely fucking obvious that I'm talking about Christians who use the verse to justify using the earth's resources in an unsustainable manner because they think Jesus will save us if we destroy our planet! Think! Fucking think before you type! Fucking duh!!!

... Yeah, I got that sport. And again that is a complete misuse of that passage. In the OP you characterized Jesus as being 'immoral/stupid' because of the reading that used that passage as a means to trash the environment. When infact in that passage Jesus is not speaking on environmental issues but in living in such a way as to trust God for our needs.

Here is what you said again:

Well I would certainly hope that you’d apply some critical thinking skills to Jesus’s ideas and not blindly believe everything he said; he did after all have a number of rather stupid and immoral ideas. I can think of a few right off the top of my head. "Take no thought for tomorrow," would be an excellent example; I’ve argued with Christians who use this verse to justify abusing the environment.

You are stating Jesus is immoral/stupid because of the stance someone took on environmental issue by taking a passage out of it's intended context. What I am saying is Frank (or whom ever your referring to) misusage of what Jesus originally said, and your judgement based on what he/frank said, and not contextual scripture makes his/frank reading and your conclusion based on his/frank reading (and not the actual context) as being intellectually dishonest. You can't call someone immoral/stupid, because of how someone else misquotes what they say.

Alright, you know what? Let's take a look at the passage. Here's a well documented explanation of Matthew 6: http://scalar.usc.edu/works/scalar-bible/matthew-6-niv

In a nutshell, Jesus is instructing his followers to give up their material possessions and trust that god will take care of them (And if you feel I'm wrong, please feel free to correct me). Now, I wouldn't necessarily say it's immoral but it is certainly stupid to believe on total faith that a magical sky-daddy is going to provide for you...

This is not what was being discussed in the OP. Environmental abuse was the catalyst not plain faith. You never even acknoweledge plain faith as being apart of the scripture scrap you quoted.

Well I would certainly hope that you’d apply some critical thinking skills to Jesus’s ideas and not blindly believe everything he said; he did after all have a number of rather stupid and immoral ideas. I canthink of a few right off the top of my head. "Take no thought for tomorrow," would be an excellent example; I’ve argued with Christians who use this verse to justify abusing the  environment.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here and assume that you are in fact intelligent enough to understand why that's obviously a bad idea, despite my nagging feeling that you're going to come back asking the retarded question "Drrrrrr..... Why is it a bad idea? God is REAL...." (feelings that, based on your post, are completely justified). Now, in my original response I said "stupid AND immoral" which means that some of his ideas were stupid, some were immoral, and some were both. "Take no thought for tomorrow" is an idea that is just stupid, not immoral. You see, I could have written "stupid AND/OR immoral" but that would make my sentence somewhat cumbersome to read so I chose to omit the "or." You see, the message was intended for my relative who isn't a complete moron such as yourself. If I were writing to you I might have, you know, dumbed it down some.

Again, environmental abuse to most would be considered to be both stupid AND Immoral.
I may have refered to one specifically, but both are implied.

I'm not even going to dignify that with a response.

Anyways, even if I were wrong in my understanding of the passage, I'm curious how you concluded that I must be purposely trying to misrepresent the Bible (which is funny, cuz' trashing your holy book while being honest is EASY). How did you rule out the possibility of me simply misunderstanding the passage? I'm very curious to hear your explanation, especially being that you've never interacted with me prior to writing this ludicrous post of yours.

Because again according to your quote from the OP you sumized (based on Frank's reading of mat 6) that Jesus was Stupid and Immoral. When infact the contextual reading of Mat 6 removed the qualifier you mentioned in the OP (Abusing the Environment as being stupid and Immoral) is not apart of the contextual reading of that passage, yet you took no issue in assigning that attribute to Christ anyway.

Here, watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWAUhadJzTk

Lol, and my views are fucked up... Fucking brilliant.

I'm having a hard enough time trying to find enough intrest in following what you have to say. Why would I care what those who taught you to think as you do, have to say? This is a forum sporty, use your words, not someone elses.

Please watch the video I that I posted a link to and read the last paragraph of my previous post.

see above.

Well, to be honest you're quoting my relative here (and you would have realized this if you'd taken more than five seconds to write this), so your feud is with her, not me... Honestly, I think that Jesus was a total hypocrite and that's why he preached brotherly love and forgiveness and then commenced damning people to hell. You know, it's kind of funny because what you're saying is really just a watered-down version of the point I was trying to make to her.

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Again your in a fourm, you must learn to use the proper format. You start the second paragraph with this statement:

Her full statement:

Then at the end you add your own commentary, which means her 'full statement' ended when your second paragraph did, and you began your commentary. Why? because your commentary was not included in her original statement
The fact that you added commentary is fine, but it must be formatted correctly if you want to distinguish your words from hers. You don't seem to have issue work the 'insert a quote' button. May I suggest in the future placing quoted material by using this button.

Oh, yeah, that's totally why we don't have people in congress trying to outlaw gay marriage, or why there aren't school systems trying to teach biblical mythology as fact to their students, and it's also why there's no anti-abortion violence. Oh, yeah, that's right... These things are all happening... Because of your moronic death-cult. As far as confusing it with another religion, maybe Islam as it is just as cancerous as yours is, but I'm pretty sure I'm not.

You do know, that gay people are getting married, Schools teach aspects of all religion except Christianity, there is pro abortion violence, all with in the confines of the non religious community. Just flip the coin, everything you want to pin on religion the oppsite is happening inside of the godless culture as well.

You yourself maynot be a tumor that gets all the attention, but it does not mean your thoughts and ideas aren't just as cancerous. The only reason somelike you does not become cancerous is because you have not been set in the right cancer nourshing environment.

Again, you're saying this because you're confusing something my relative said with something I said, but to answer your question, yes I have. My question to you is, Have you ever read anything in your life?

If your not just another flash in the pan noob who burns out after a few posts like this one. ask me this again in a year.

Yes, so this is a telltale sign that you hastily skimmed through my post and didn't take two seconds to try and comprehend it because you have the attention span of an ant. If you had read it more closely you would realize that in one part you were quoting my relative and confusing it for something I said. You know, I appreciate you doing that, humiliating people is much easier when they do all the work for me and I simply have to point out their stupidity. Anyways, once again, you're presenting a watered-down version of the argument that I was trying to make to her.

I was showing a general inconsistency in a given system of belief. The statement stands no matter who ideology is being discussed.

Now, I don’t know about you, but I get the feeling that if you had the opportunity to question Jesus and ask him if he thought the biblical idea of eternal torture was moral; his answer would be a resounding “yes!!” I mean, could you REALLY, HONESTLY say he would disagree with something that his own holy scripture says? And even if you could, I would still contend that it’s definitely understandable how other Christians could conclude that he would be in agreeance with the Bible’s message, after all, he did supposedly author it. The Bible is a vague book and there are many different ways in which one might interpret it that would be completely understandable. Yours is just one of many.

Yes, and that's very interesting, I didn't realize that before starting this thread. This will come in very handy next time I need to explain to a Christian that Jesus was a complete fucking asshole. Thanks!

To which I will quote a selfrighteous douche:
Yes, so this is a telltale sign that you hastily skimmed through my post and didn't take two seconds to try and comprehend it because you have the attention span of an ant. If you had read it more closely you would realize that in one part you were quoting my relative and confusing it for something I said. You know, I appreciate you doing that, humiliating people is much easier when they do all the work for me and I simply have to point out their stupidity.
Your a self righteous douche who can't even stand up to his own measure!
You'll fit right in here, I for see you'll be an admin inside of 6 months!

As far as that bit about believers being ignorant, the fact that you’ve seemingly overlooked the passages I pointed out makes your statement highly ironic (you’re obviously one of those Christians that likes to cherry pick from the Bible).

Oh irony... Nothing ensnares the oblivious and entertains the observant quite like you...

to which I say:
Oh irony... Nothing ensnares the oblivious and entertains the observant quite like you!!!

but one CAN arguably reason that Jesus would have condoned and even advocated for some pretty horrible attitudes and ideas

Yeah, fucking forgiveness, like sentencing people to burn in hell for all eternity for their finite transgressions. Brilliant...

Too bad I am limited to only 10 emoties per post... You don't even need me, here! you are having this bigg puffed up argument all on your own!!!

What a douche! Mr. high horse wants to talk about skiming through and not paying attention to what people say!!!

Hold on to something, because I'm about to make the meaningless, meaningful... Holy Spirit= God!

Wow... That is about the most useless, vague definition you could have possibly given... What's that supposed to mean? Depending on your Christian it could mean anything from a supernatural connection with god to a redundant label for a desirable human quality such as empathy... Fucking useless...

then ask a follow up question sport. with people like you I have to start off very small and the build a bigger principle.

You know what dude, you're a troll aren't you? You must be! Awesome job dude! You got me... Kudos to you.

the word your looking for is poe. but I guess after that long drawn out verbal battle you had with yourself, and all the blaming others for not paying attention I could see where you'd make that one little mistake.

Oh, I wish I could see you face when you read this for the first time!