RE: The "not all Muslims are terrorists" fallacy
September 11, 2015 at 12:24 pm
(This post was last modified: September 11, 2015 at 12:25 pm by TheRocketSurgeon.
Edit Reason: left out a phrase
)
(September 11, 2015 at 12:18 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(September 11, 2015 at 12:13 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Catholic - The guys in the video you posted talk about exactly that difference, and sum up our position on it pretty effectively.
I can promise you, if/when I hear about a Catholic group/organization saying that Jesus wants them to torture/rape/murder people, I'll be the first to stand up and condemn the behavior.
Of course there are bad apples everywhere, but when 20% of people in your faith think this is what God wants them to do, there's a huge problem, and one that needs to be addressed.
Respectfully, I think you're taking for granted that you have the POWER (being a full member of western civilization, which over time has neutered the Catholic Church's ability to harm you for condemning the behavior... it's one of the reasons we "twitch" when talking about monuments to the power of the church) to attack members of your faith who do that.
Could you have condemned them, for instance, during the Inquisition?
I'm not trying to make your faith look bad for having had the Inquisition; I'm pointing out that the ability of the decent common-believer to stop the fanatics disappears once the number of fanatics reaches a certain percent of their population, and once the zealots attain a certain degree of fear/power/control.
As I said, your video does a good job of pointing out our objections to Islam, and why we have them. But we see all "True Believer" faiths to have equal potential. But in the case of Islam, they're definitely suffering (and we are suffering as a result) from an overpowering amount of death-cult medievalism in their social circles and societies.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.