Debate me!

[theVOID]

Well I note you felt the need to try to insult VOID, whatever your meaning.

1. For me to use logic is to attempt to examine every aspect of my world view and put it up for scrutiny. I'm limited by my eloquence, and so are you. How are you dismissing dreamtime exactly? Which of it's truths do you find falsehoods?

That's not an excuse is it fr0d0?

Dream time makes unsupported claims about the universe and thus cannot achieve justification, that's why I dismiss it.

2. You also rationalise your own position I would hope. Or are you saying that you don't??

Everyone does fr0d0, I never said otherwise. The point was that simply being able to rationalise a position to yourself does not give belief in the position justification, which is what I am concerned with.

The fact that you have spent so much time thinking about your beliefs and still haven't managed to achieve any form of substantiation is really telling.

Saying that you agree with my logic is not misleading, it's fact. Never have I said that you understand the whole thing, I could never credit you with that.

Here you are thinking you have something worth knowing. Go ahead and make as many claims as you like but without the ability to back up a single one of them you're position is as whimsy as ever.

I bet you couldn't even explain the whole thing anyway, because it's plainly incoherent and you're just performing mental gymnastics in order to convince yourself that you're the one who has this genuinely true and perfectly reasonable belief. You could try and explain yourself, but you've vigorously avoided all opportunities to do so in the past so it's not really surprising that you've simply skipped over it again.

No a basic belief system is a million miles off my personal stance.

Which is?

Have you made any effort to find someone to discuss your interests with personally or is this the sum of your efforts - requesting a shallow debate where there's very little chance of takers?

We were trying to get the debate forum active again fr0d0, as would be clear from Adrian's thread explaining it. This is part of that effort. I love how as soon as you can't back up your own beliefs you make these completely arbitrary objections to side track discussion.

Were you to get over your basic ignorance in denying something that you don't understand without evidence to back up that denial I might have some respect for you. Currently I consider you to be somewhat of a fool for that.

Another arbitrary objection

If you're going to call me ignorant you might want to explain about what and why, rather than you know... just asserting it like you usually do. And really fr0d0, do you think the god concept is hard to grasp? It's not, ancient illiterate fuckers came up with it back in the primacy of civilization and almost all forms of it are crude anthropomorphisms of natural events, you're god id no different, though he's more vague than crude.