RE: The "not all Muslims are terrorists" fallacy
September 11, 2015 at 4:32 pm
(This post was last modified: September 11, 2015 at 5:22 pm by Napoléon.)
(September 11, 2015 at 2:08 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Oh just the one question? Oh, ok then. So I'm just supposed to not be concerned with the "pedantry" of the fact that 1. you told me not to answer a question you asked me, and 2. that you already know ahead of time that you won't agree, like you won't even consider or listen to my points. Alright then. Let me get right back to responding to your post then, as I'm sure it'll be a very productive discussion.
1. It was a rhetorical question.
2. I said I wouldn't find your come back to a rhetorical question agreeable (which to be fair, was just an assumption, but I thought it was fairly obvious that it was such), so told you to not bother answering that particular question, which was more for your benefit than mine if anything. I didn't see the point in taking the discussion down that route. I never said I wouldn't consider your points, if you had any in response to the overall point of the actual post. You've projected these things onto my post and yet again ignore what my underlying point was.
Quote:And yeah, you're right. Ever since I came back from my month long break, I've been less tolerant of people talking to me like crap. If you want to call that pedantry and being overly sensitive, go right ahead. But there's only so much of it I think is healthy for a person to take, so if you talk to me like dirty, chances are I'm not going to respond adequately. I'm sorry if that "infuriates" you, but I came here to have respectful discussions with different minded people, not to be verbally abused.
Finally, some actual balls! I like you better already. I don't particularly give a damn what you talk to me like, hell I think it's healthier to be frank and honest, even if that means being a little rude to each other from time to time. Even to people you consider good friends. I like to address someone based on the content of what they actually say, at least on a forum such as this.
I value criticism and debate as more 'productive' than JAQing off sessions frankly.
*edit, I also remember upon your return you saying you weren't going to get involved in such religious or political discussions "because they're rarely productive" or some other such nonsense. What happened to that idea? One minute you're saying you'll ignore the heated the discussion and the next you're whining when you're suddenly in one.
Quote:I think you're extremely rude and arrogant, and you've had a chip on your shoulder about me ever since that thread where you told me some pretty crappy stuff including that the only reason anyone here "pretends" to respect me is because I suck their d*cks, . Yeah, that one that Tiberius had to intervene in and had to close down because of what you were saying to me.
You did then, exactly what you are doing now. You got caught up on the fact I said "dick" instead of addressing my actual contention, my actual criticism. You seem to think I implied that you literally suck people's dicks in order for them to like you. You even at one stage said it was to gain approval strictly from the male members of the forum. That's not what I said. At any point. The only reason I kept saying you sucked dicks, over and over, was because you kept doing what I said you were doing, over and over.
I've already had these discussions with Tiberius, and he knows full well my thoughts on the entire matter, I even sent you a massive PM about why I thought and said the things I did, which you didn't respond to. Which is funny, because that was a time when you asked me a question, but obviously didn't like the answer you got enough to give me a response. Double standard much.
And you wonder why I think discussions with you are futile?
What you've just done now, in making this once again all about you and bringing up a spat from the past, is just another thing to suggest my suspicions about your intent in a lot of your posts are spot on. The whole point of me constantly saying you sucked dick was to highlight every time you sought approval from other members. And you're doing it again by bringing up "what Tiberius had to do because of the nasty man" and reminding us all that you took a month long break because you got too stressed out on a damn internet forum. You're more of an attention whore than I am for christ sake!
Quote:I usually try to get along with people, and try not to simply dismiss them because they treated me like crap in the past, and in this thread I was genuinely trying to find some common ground and be on better terms with you because I hate the feeling of disliking someone so strongly and I hate holding grudges. I'm not putting you on my ignore list, but it was a mistake to think I could have a respectable discussion with you. Even on a topic we agree on, you just couldn't wait to turn it around on me and be a jerk about it.
I know it seems easy for me to say, but I really don't think you get the nuance in a lot of my posts. I don't know if it's because we come from totally different places and you just don't get that when I shout "bullshit you cunt!", It's not personal in the slightest, or whether you're just that sensitive that you cry every time I call you out on something. I really just don't know.
I actually think I've been quite respectful in this thread, at least towards you.
You seem to think I have some kind of vendetta against you when I don't. I address your bullshit the same as whenever I see anyone else's bullshit. If GC were in this thread, or Drich, or Randy Carson, or any other theist, I'd have said the exact same thing to them after seeing them agree with something right up until the point it involves criticising their own staunchly held convictions.
Anyone who criticises you is automatically deemed to be disrespectful, and it's tantamount to emotional blackmail that nobody can call you out when you show your hypocrisy, like we would for anyone else, for fear of offending you.
With all due respect CL, I think you need to get over yourself.