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Evil
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RE: Evil
(September 11, 2015 at 4:29 pm)Nestor Wrote:
(September 11, 2015 at 4:03 pm)lkingpinl Wrote: This is my belief so make of it what you will.

Whenever people talk about evil they actually assume there’s such a thing as good. When they assume there’s such a thing as good, they assume there’s such a thing as a moral law on the basis of which to differentiate between good and evil. When they assume a moral law they must assume a moral lawgiver. Why do we assume a moral lawgiver? Because ultimately when you raise the question of evil, it’s either raised by a person, or about a person. That means either the question-raiser or the object of the question is assumed to have intrinsic worth and that can only be so if we are the creation of God.
What's a "moral lawgiver"? How does it differ from the rational faculty's apprehension of more or less ideal conditions in which such a faculty may be utilized? If intrinsic worth requires a Creator, it's not intrinsic... it depends on external circumstance, namely the bestowal of worth by something else. If God requires no "free gift", why should we? If, after all, we are really intrinsically valuable and not on account of another being's legislating it to be so.

A Moral Lawgiver is required when raising the question of evil.  If there is no moral lawgiver, then there is no good, no evil.  If we are created in the imago dei, then our very being/essence has intrinsic worth. 

If our intrinsic worth is not exterior or from God, and it has instead evolved without God, then the value or worth of each individual is forever changing. It is therefore not permanent but ever changing. And if it is changing, then who will give it value, what value, and when? Is it a person or persons that gives each person intrinsic value? Is it a creed? Is it a king? Is it a nation or government? If this is so, then anyone at any age may change the meaning as they please. This is then crucial. Intrinsic human value has to come from God, God who transcends us. Only then will our value be eternal and never up for the whims of change, the winds of change. Only then will it be anchored. Evolution cannot give value to human beings because it is always changing and that means no absolutes, no anchor. Essential worth means not conveyed worth or secondary worth. We are all created equal.
We are not made happy by what we acquire but by what we appreciate.
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Evil - by GenericAthiest - August 17, 2015 at 2:30 pm
RE: Evil - by Aoi Magi - August 17, 2015 at 2:33 pm
RE: Evil - by Longhorn - August 17, 2015 at 2:36 pm
RE: Evil - by Neo-Scholastic - August 17, 2015 at 3:10 pm
RE: Evil - by Longhorn - August 17, 2015 at 3:19 pm
RE: Evil - by GenericAthiest - August 17, 2015 at 2:39 pm
RE: Evil - by Aoi Magi - August 17, 2015 at 2:54 pm
RE: Evil - by GenericAthiest - August 17, 2015 at 3:18 pm
RE: Evil - by Chad32 - August 17, 2015 at 3:08 pm
RE: Evil - by Wyrd of Gawd - August 30, 2015 at 3:14 am
RE: Evil - by Neo-Scholastic - August 17, 2015 at 3:44 pm
RE: Evil - by Longhorn - August 17, 2015 at 3:44 pm
RE: Evil - by downbeatplumb - August 30, 2015 at 3:21 am
RE: Evil - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 30, 2015 at 6:19 am
RE: Evil - by Captain Scarlet - September 16, 2015 at 2:09 pm
RE: Evil - by brewer - August 17, 2015 at 3:55 pm
RE: Evil - by Minimalist - August 17, 2015 at 3:58 pm
RE: Evil - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 30, 2015 at 6:14 am
RE: Evil - by Aoi Magi - August 18, 2015 at 3:48 am
RE: Evil - by GenericAthiest - August 18, 2015 at 6:11 am
RE: Evil - by ignoramus - August 18, 2015 at 5:16 am
RE: Evil - by robvalue - August 18, 2015 at 7:09 am
RE: Evil - by Wyrd of Gawd - August 30, 2015 at 3:01 am
RE: Evil - by robvalue - August 30, 2015 at 3:16 am
RE: Evil - by Wyrd of Gawd - August 30, 2015 at 3:21 am
RE: Evil - by robvalue - August 30, 2015 at 3:29 am
RE: Evil - by downbeatplumb - August 30, 2015 at 3:31 am
RE: Evil - by robvalue - August 30, 2015 at 3:33 am
RE: Evil - by Mudhammam - August 30, 2015 at 3:53 am
RE: Evil - by robvalue - August 30, 2015 at 4:03 am
RE: Evil - by Mudhammam - August 30, 2015 at 4:13 am
RE: Evil - by robvalue - August 30, 2015 at 5:19 am
RE: Evil - by Mudhammam - August 30, 2015 at 7:14 am
RE: Evil - by downbeatplumb - August 30, 2015 at 7:30 am
RE: Evil - by robvalue - August 30, 2015 at 9:17 am
RE: Evil - by Mudhammam - August 30, 2015 at 10:16 am
RE: Evil - by robvalue - August 31, 2015 at 8:20 am
RE: Evil - by robvalue - August 31, 2015 at 10:11 am
RE: Evil - by Mudhammam - September 1, 2015 at 6:06 am
RE: Evil - by bennyboy - August 31, 2015 at 11:19 am
RE: Evil - by robvalue - August 31, 2015 at 11:33 am
RE: Evil - by robvalue - September 1, 2015 at 6:09 am
RE: Evil - by Mudhammam - September 1, 2015 at 6:18 am
RE: Evil - by robvalue - September 9, 2015 at 3:02 am
RE: Evil - by Sappho - September 9, 2015 at 9:03 am
RE: Evil - by Catholic_Lady - September 9, 2015 at 4:15 pm
RE: Evil - by robvalue - September 1, 2015 at 6:53 am
RE: Evil - by Mudhammam - September 11, 2015 at 1:25 am
RE: Evil - by ignoramus - September 1, 2015 at 7:25 am
RE: Evil - by robvalue - September 1, 2015 at 7:53 am
RE: Evil - by Athene - September 9, 2015 at 4:14 pm
RE: Evil - by robvalue - September 11, 2015 at 3:08 am
RE: Evil - by Mudhammam - September 11, 2015 at 1:58 pm
RE: Evil - by Kingpin - September 11, 2015 at 2:26 pm
RE: Evil - by Tartarus Sauce - September 11, 2015 at 3:50 pm
RE: Evil - by Kingpin - September 11, 2015 at 4:03 pm
RE: Evil - by Mudhammam - September 11, 2015 at 4:29 pm
RE: Evil - by Kingpin - September 11, 2015 at 4:40 pm
RE: Evil - by TheRocketSurgeon - September 11, 2015 at 5:22 pm
RE: Evil - by Kingpin - September 14, 2015 at 11:44 am
RE: Evil - by TheRocketSurgeon - September 14, 2015 at 1:27 pm
RE: Evil - by Mudhammam - September 11, 2015 at 5:25 pm
RE: Evil - by Captain Scarlet - September 15, 2015 at 6:49 am
RE: Evil - by TheRocketSurgeon - September 11, 2015 at 4:31 pm
RE: Evil - by Tartarus Sauce - September 11, 2015 at 5:17 pm
RE: Evil - by Kingpin - September 11, 2015 at 5:21 pm
RE: Evil - by Tartarus Sauce - September 11, 2015 at 5:33 pm
RE: Evil - by Kingpin - September 11, 2015 at 5:28 pm
RE: Evil - by robvalue - September 14, 2015 at 11:54 am
RE: Evil - by Mudhammam - September 14, 2015 at 3:20 pm
RE: Evil - by robvalue - September 15, 2015 at 3:46 am
RE: Evil - by Mudhammam - September 15, 2015 at 6:23 pm
RE: Evil - by robvalue - September 16, 2015 at 3:00 am
RE: Evil - by TheRocketSurgeon - September 16, 2015 at 3:45 am
RE: Evil - by robvalue - September 16, 2015 at 4:11 am
RE: Evil - by robvalue - September 16, 2015 at 5:16 am
RE: Evil - by Mudhammam - September 25, 2015 at 12:57 am
RE: Evil - by robvalue - September 25, 2015 at 5:55 am
RE: Evil - by Mudhammam - September 25, 2015 at 5:03 pm
RE: Evil - by robvalue - September 26, 2015 at 11:38 am
RE: Evil - by robvalue - September 30, 2015 at 9:00 pm
RE: Evil - by Reforged - September 30, 2015 at 9:29 pm
RE: Evil - by Edwardo Piet - October 7, 2015 at 9:30 pm

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