(November 11, 2010 at 5:26 am)Rayaan Wrote: As I already explained before, there is both good and bad in the world, and if the bad things never happened in our lives, then we're going to be less appreciative about all the good things that we already have. And secondly, the sufferers will get their payment of the good that they deserve in the next life and it's going to be proportional to how much they suffered.Unless, of course, they were gay or worshipped the wrong religion. I can't help but wonder, of those pictures you've linked earlier, what all religions those individuals ascribed to. I also understand that the quality of life improves dramatically from the benefit of humanity's godless science and not the hope that their lives improve after they're dead.
(November 10, 2010 at 7:39 pm)TheDarkestOfAngels Wrote: That's... horrifying.
Birth defects aren't proof or disproof of god's existance. They're disproof of what people regularly call 'god's everlasting/eternal love of humankind.'
(November 11, 2010 at 5:26 am)Rayaan Wrote: I don't believe that God's love is eternal/everlasting/universal either.How many genocides (caused direclty by this creator) and lives enshrouded in pain and living torture does it take for a god to prove his love?
But, I believe that His love is greater than His anger because this is what was told by Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), in which he said, "When Allah decreed the Creation He pledged Himself by writing in His book which is laid down with Him (the following): 'My mercy prevails over my wrath'" (Hadith Qudsi # 1).
That's a massive twist in belief and morality you have to spin in order to allow a murder to prove his love by murdering and torturing his own children.
(November 10, 2010 at 6:22 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Then god can go fuck himself.
(November 11, 2010 at 5:26 am)Rayaan Wrote: Whenever you speak evil about God, you're not speaking against Him, but only against yourself, because your own words will come back to you one day (or in the afterlife). Uh oh.
No. What minimalist has done is speak against the guy with a wrench.
If that guy broke Minimalist's legs, it wasn't minimalist's fault.
God holds all the supernatural omnipotence, but it's no less his fault for eternally torturing his own children for misbehaving over a comparatively brief existance on Earth.
It's downright assinine and any being that calls this morality is delusional.
If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools and next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and the newspapers...
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925
Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925
Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan