RE: Formal Introduction
September 14, 2015 at 11:55 pm
(This post was last modified: September 15, 2015 at 12:00 am by Salacious B. Crumb.)
(September 14, 2015 at 11:02 pm)heatiosrs Wrote:(September 14, 2015 at 10:12 pm)Atheist_BG Wrote: A "current atheist" tells me babies are born theists worshipping deities. This is where I stop arguing - it's pointless.
I don't know what your comparisons even mean anymore, you are taking one thing that is completely by itself and from that coorelating it to things that have no coorelation whatsoever.
To put it simply - Your posts do not make sense.
(September 14, 2015 at 10:20 pm)Salacious B. Crumb Wrote: I hear Sam Harris making a similar argument, that atheism is the default position, although I don't fully agree either.
We have no concept of god when we are babies. So, we don't believe or disbelieve, because we are oblivious to anything related to that subject. To me, atheism is an active position on not believing in any deities, so we can't be atheists without knowing what a deity is. There is no position to be held.
Just like if there was something out in space that we hadn't discovered yet. We can't believe or disbelieve in a subject of which we haven't heard of, because it hasn't been conceived in our minds yet. There is no position to be taken.
I agree except -
I do not think that Atheism is a belief, I think it is a rejection of belief.
But, how can you reject a belief you did not even know existed? Therefore i fail to understand how we are born "Atheists".
You misread what I wrote. I never said atheism was a belief. I was agreeing with you that you couldn't be an atheist if you were not aware of any deities. I think you mistook the part where I said atheism is an active position against a man-made construct. I didn't say atheism was a belief system. I agree that it is a lack of belief in deities, but because it's a position of disbelief, it is an active position, therefore it can't be held when you are a baby. Atheist_BG was saying that you were born an atheist, and I think you and I agree that that can't happen.
Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.' -Isaac Asimov-