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Help Me Understand
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RE: Help Me Understand
It's not just the Catholics who have no issues with evolution, and don't feel the need to go around "quote-mining" real scientists out of context to make them say what they didn't say, in order to feel like they're doing the work of the Lord.

My fiancee is an evolutionary biologist (in genetics), and is a churchgoing Methodist. The head of the Human Genome Project is an Evangelical (Baptist, I think) Christian, and staunch proponent of evolution and our descent from ape-like ancestors. He wrote a whole book about it (then tacked on the teleological argument about the "fine-tuned universe" to make it still Christian-friendly), in which he openly mocks Christians who refuse to understand what evolution is and how it works... or who deliberately misunderstand it, and then refuse to learn when people who do understand it try to explain it to them.

By the way, I'm an atheist and a former biologist, and I don't think Lucy (Australopithecus afarensis) is our ancestor, either. I think it was their sister-species, Kenyanthropus platyops, or something very near to that. But saying that because Lucy is not our ancestor, she is not a hominid, and that we did not descend from creatures like her is a bit like saying that because your grandfather had a brother, but you are not the brother's direct genetic descendant, you are not family to your great uncle.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost

I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.

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Help Me Understand - by Shuffle - September 16, 2015 at 1:10 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by DeathByDespair - September 16, 2015 at 11:26 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by Faith No More - September 16, 2015 at 11:35 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by Catholic_Lady - September 16, 2015 at 11:38 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by Randy Carson - September 16, 2015 at 1:15 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Shuffle - September 16, 2015 at 6:20 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Randy Carson - September 16, 2015 at 7:30 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Shuffle - September 16, 2015 at 8:50 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by DeathByDespair - September 16, 2015 at 11:39 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by Faith No More - September 16, 2015 at 11:48 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by Exian - September 16, 2015 at 12:10 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Catholic_Lady - September 16, 2015 at 12:30 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by loganonekenobi - September 28, 2015 at 10:10 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by Divinity - September 16, 2015 at 12:31 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Whateverist - September 21, 2015 at 11:59 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by Alex25 - September 16, 2015 at 12:46 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Catholic_Lady - September 16, 2015 at 12:49 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Randy Carson - September 16, 2015 at 1:35 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Neo-Scholastic - September 19, 2015 at 9:32 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by Longhorn - September 16, 2015 at 12:47 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Alex25 - September 16, 2015 at 12:50 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Catholic_Lady - September 16, 2015 at 12:52 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Salacious B. Crumb - September 16, 2015 at 1:06 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Randy Carson - September 16, 2015 at 1:39 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Thumpalumpacus - September 16, 2015 at 5:22 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Randy Carson - September 16, 2015 at 7:11 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Thumpalumpacus - September 16, 2015 at 7:34 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Randy Carson - September 16, 2015 at 8:42 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Thumpalumpacus - September 17, 2015 at 2:18 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by Catholic_Lady - September 17, 2015 at 3:19 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by Thumpalumpacus - September 17, 2015 at 12:49 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Catholic_Lady - September 17, 2015 at 12:52 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Thumpalumpacus - September 17, 2015 at 1:05 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Thumpalumpacus - September 17, 2015 at 1:06 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by downbeatplumb - September 17, 2015 at 1:10 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by jenny1972 - November 9, 2015 at 6:05 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by brewer - September 16, 2015 at 1:20 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Randy Carson - September 16, 2015 at 1:41 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Alex25 - September 16, 2015 at 1:35 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Kingpin - September 16, 2015 at 1:53 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by downbeatplumb - September 16, 2015 at 1:59 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Shuffle - September 16, 2015 at 6:41 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by drfuzzy - September 16, 2015 at 1:55 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Kingpin - September 16, 2015 at 2:52 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by drfuzzy - September 16, 2015 at 1:55 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Pyrrho - September 16, 2015 at 2:41 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Wyrd of Gawd - September 16, 2015 at 4:13 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Catholic_Lady - September 16, 2015 at 4:55 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Wyrd of Gawd - September 17, 2015 at 4:47 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by Pyrrho - September 16, 2015 at 5:00 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Randy Carson - September 16, 2015 at 7:08 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Salacious B. Crumb - September 16, 2015 at 5:46 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Wyrd of Gawd - September 17, 2015 at 12:44 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by Kingpin - September 16, 2015 at 2:50 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by downbeatplumb - September 16, 2015 at 6:01 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Shuffle - September 16, 2015 at 6:58 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Cato - September 16, 2015 at 5:05 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Wyrd of Gawd - September 16, 2015 at 5:29 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by TheRocketSurgeon - September 16, 2015 at 5:51 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Wyrd of Gawd - September 17, 2015 at 4:43 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by Randy Carson - September 16, 2015 at 7:32 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Regina - September 16, 2015 at 5:08 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Wyrd of Gawd - September 16, 2015 at 5:35 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Regina - September 16, 2015 at 5:41 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Thumpalumpacus - September 16, 2015 at 7:03 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by TheRocketSurgeon - September 16, 2015 at 9:51 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Whateverist - September 17, 2015 at 3:08 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by robvalue - September 17, 2015 at 5:09 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by TheRocketSurgeon - September 17, 2015 at 10:13 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by ignoramus - September 17, 2015 at 5:34 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by John V - September 18, 2015 at 3:14 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Shuffle - September 18, 2015 at 3:34 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by John V - September 18, 2015 at 3:41 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by TheRocketSurgeon - September 18, 2015 at 6:01 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Shuffle - September 18, 2015 at 7:13 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by John V - September 19, 2015 at 6:23 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by TheRocketSurgeon - September 19, 2015 at 8:58 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by John V - October 1, 2015 at 4:04 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by TheRocketSurgeon - September 19, 2015 at 12:32 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by ignoramus - September 19, 2015 at 12:47 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by robvalue - September 19, 2015 at 9:08 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by robvalue - September 19, 2015 at 9:49 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by Drich - September 20, 2015 at 11:08 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by John V - September 20, 2015 at 6:15 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Jenny A - September 20, 2015 at 6:56 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by John V - September 20, 2015 at 7:18 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Wyrd of Gawd - September 20, 2015 at 7:27 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Drich - September 21, 2015 at 9:15 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by John V - October 1, 2015 at 4:02 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Jenny A - September 20, 2015 at 6:55 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Drich - September 21, 2015 at 9:19 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by Wyrd of Gawd - September 20, 2015 at 7:06 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Drich - September 21, 2015 at 9:21 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by Wyrd of Gawd - September 21, 2015 at 11:49 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by Drich - September 22, 2015 at 10:20 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by Wyrd of Gawd - September 22, 2015 at 7:44 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Drich - September 23, 2015 at 10:23 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by SofaKingHigh - September 23, 2015 at 11:55 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by ignoramus - September 20, 2015 at 6:45 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by The Grand Nudger - September 21, 2015 at 9:57 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by Drich - September 28, 2015 at 10:03 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by robvalue - September 21, 2015 at 2:14 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by robvalue - September 28, 2015 at 10:16 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by RoadRunner79 - October 10, 2015 at 7:59 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by TheRocketSurgeon - October 10, 2015 at 8:27 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by RoadRunner79 - October 10, 2015 at 8:28 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by TheRocketSurgeon - October 10, 2015 at 10:50 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by robvalue - October 11, 2015 at 5:27 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by jenny1972 - October 11, 2015 at 5:30 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by rexbeccarox - October 11, 2015 at 10:56 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by RoadRunner79 - October 11, 2015 at 10:30 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by TheRocketSurgeon - October 11, 2015 at 11:23 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by RoadRunner79 - October 25, 2015 at 7:48 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by TheRocketSurgeon - October 25, 2015 at 8:56 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by RoadRunner79 - November 8, 2015 at 12:16 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by TheRocketSurgeon - November 8, 2015 at 12:53 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Thumpalumpacus - October 11, 2015 at 10:48 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Thumpalumpacus - October 12, 2015 at 2:04 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by TheRocketSurgeon - October 11, 2015 at 11:48 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Thumpalumpacus - October 12, 2015 at 1:38 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by TheRocketSurgeon - October 12, 2015 at 1:47 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by Thumpalumpacus - October 12, 2015 at 2:05 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by robvalue - October 12, 2015 at 3:08 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by TheRocketSurgeon - October 26, 2015 at 8:56 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by loganonekenobi - October 31, 2015 at 3:51 pm

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