(September 18, 2015 at 9:32 am)Rekeisha Wrote:(September 17, 2015 at 12:02 pm)Whateverist the White Wrote: Unless they later change their mind and abandon their faith. In that event it will turn out that their former acceptance of Christ was counterfeit and they had never actually been a Christian at all.
You might want to change your definition of a Christian to: "A christian is someone who continues right up till they die to accept Christ's death and ressurection for their sins."
When you truly accept Jesus' death and ressurection Jesus will save you to the utter most
Heb 7:25 Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them
Also once you are his no one (that includes yourself) can remove you from His hand.
John 10:28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.
It also say if they were one of us they would not have left us
1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us
It is all real simple. You realize you are a sinner in need of salvation. You change the way you are thinking and accept Jesus' death and ressurection as yours through faith. (not a feeling) Now you are in a good relationship with God and He will enable you to do what He has planned for you to do. Real easy.
I like how you keep quoting the Bible at us, like we haven't read it or didn't understand what we read. It's cute... but rapidly becoming less so.
Of course that's what the Biblical writers say. What else would a religion say to explain people who left the faith? "Ooh, turns out we might be wrong after all? But you keep believing, the rest of you!"
What I grew up believing was that I was a sinner in need of salvation, etc. What I realized is that morals are within me, not external, and most of the stuff that book was telling me to believe is contrary to what we actually know about the world, because the Bible's writers were fallible humans who came from a time when we didn't know all that much about the universe. Most of the "sins" the Bible's writers invented are not sins at all, and much of what the book teaches is outright immoral.
I stopped being a Christian when I realized I was more moral than the Bible, and that I didn't want to keep trying to ignore the amazing universe in favor of a Bronze Age tribal sheepherder fable about the world.
It's that simple.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
