Proof Mind is Fundamental and Matter Doesn't Exist

[emjay]

Thank you for your reply and your honesty   I found myself drawn to your theory both for its originality and because of its 'ground up' approach, which is the same sort of way I'd think about these things.

yes, it is quite an original argument. though I cannot take credit for it, credit is given in the OP. and I always try and word arguments from the ground up so it can be plainly seen that I am not arguing from the conclusion backwards.

Thanks, I'll make note of the author and look it up. Usually the only way I can be convinced, or convince myself of an argument is from the ground up.

I've done my own thought experiments about simulations and one came to a similar (or perhaps not?) conclusion of god as techie playing something like the Sims. It wasn't serious - I don't believe in that - but it was still food for thought, and still a possibility that would allow for an afterlife and all the omni's. So when I saw your theory, written in heavy duty logic (which is beyond me but which I trust much more than mere ideas) I was naturally curious and since you were a Christian I wanted to know if one implied the other and I would have been willing to listen if it did but I couldn't see how it could. So thank you again for that honesty.

I don't know of something that can surely connect the two, though I must say there are some curious implications in the bible that may appear to hint at it. such as morality being taught as emanating from personal intentions of the heart rather than actions one physically performs. the doctrine that you are to purify your inner self, not just obey a set of rules.

If I was ever to become a Christian again it would not be because of anything said in the Bible. I'm afraid to say that door is forever closed to me... and locked. I just thought it would be very ironic if I became a theist again because of quantum physics

I'm not a dualist, though I suppose I do 'regress' to it sometimes without thinking. I'm interested in Neuroscience, Neural Networks, and computational theories of the mind and as it stands they give me the comfort of thinking that the mind problem is solvable and that we're on our way, but nonetheless there is that unbridged gap between the physical workings of the brain and the experience of mind.

there actually are some interesting findings in neuroscience when they are researched within the field of quantum biology; a field of biology that takes quantum processes into account when explaining biological processes. and given the brain is quantum computing, the same quantum rules and effects apply and that would include the implications of the measurement problem. this gives a case for immaterial soul causing collapse in quantum brain processing.

Thanks for the video, it was very interesting, though I won't claim to have fully understood it, especially in such a condensed (8 minute) form. But what did go in was fascinating. I was aware in general, though not in detail, of the microtubules theory of quantum effects in the brain but I didn't know a whole field had arisen from it, so yeah, that will very interesting to look into   My knowledge of quantum physics is limited - I've read Feynman's QED and a couple of other books but that's about it. But it is fascinating and I'll probably try and find a book on the subject (of quantum biology).

So that's why your theory, as a possible alternative to that, was interesting to me.

i'm glad you're intrigued. though I would say it's must more than a mere possibility, or an interesting thought. I would say on face value it is a possibility and interesting thought, but the argument shows that mere possibility implies the conclusion is actually true. the difference means mind is in fact not reducible to matter, and given dualism is false monistic idealism entails.

Well basically I only have a basic grasp of logic so I can't pick apart a logical argument, premise by premise, like others can on this site - so I'll just wait to see who wins in this thread But it is interesting and I can't 'unsee' it so rest assured I will be thinking about it, and even more if it stands up to all scrutiny.