RE: Hi, I'm a Christian. Help Me Disprove My Religion!
September 28, 2015 at 5:26 am
(This post was last modified: September 28, 2015 at 5:30 am by Aractus.)
(September 28, 2015 at 2:31 am)Irrational Wrote: Not sure if that's what scholars in general really say, but I have to agree with Rocket here. You can't reasonably hold to the view that Jesus existed without making some inferences from the text.
Saying that Jesus exists isn't an inference. Working out what his theology was and what formed the core of his message is inference - and we can debate all day long about that.
(September 28, 2015 at 2:58 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:(September 27, 2015 at 9:40 pm)Aractus Wrote: Who? And how is James referencing it before it was invented and written down 35 years later (according to your point of view)?
Could have made it up, could be something he heard down the pub there are a vast number of possibilities I'm sure you could think of a few dozen if you put your mind to it.
If James made it up then his text is used partially as the basis for things Jesus says - that's even more problematic an explanation because then where does the remainder come from? How did they complete the Sermon on the Mount from the 16 or so things James said - and why didn't they include everything later attributed to Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount?
You're the one who came up with the claim that Jesus didn't deliver the SotM or the other key teachings he is known for such as the Parable of the Good Samaritan. So who came up with them? Did they come up with them in 85 AD or before 49 AD?
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The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK
"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke
