RE: Proof Mind is Fundamental and Matter Doesn't Exist
September 28, 2015 at 12:45 pm
(This post was last modified: September 28, 2015 at 1:32 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
If you point to science, you are pointing to a set of necessarily materialist propositions. You cannot argue using the truth of such propositions, for a position that argues against the truth of those same propositions. If the universe, for example, is not made of stuff - then what science tells us, -that this happens because of the properties of "stuff a and stuff b in medium c" is of absolutely no consequence. Those explanations are inaccurate and non-representative. It is ludicrous to point to them and say "well, if idealism is true then "ideas" work like we think stuff works"...., no, because stuff doesn't work at all, it doesn't even exist..............are you telling me that ideas work just like the stuff that doesn't exist works, or that any difference between ideas and "stuff" -which does not exist- is indistinguishable?
If mind were made of "ideas" ..-if this were true-, if mind was a product of non-material "idea interactions" and thusly some idealist conception of the same better explained our mind......it wouldn't matter. That still does not tell us what the universe is made of even if we accept it as absolutely true without any argument /w regards to mind.
What am I supposed to make of this sort of response anyway? One minute science is good enough to claim whole-cloth for your position, the next it's uninformative. How does idealism explain the workings of the universe? Apparently, effectively (if not functionally) the same way science does. Them, for some odd reason.......that all breaks down at mind? You're awfully selective about when you find science to be compelling and when you don't.
If mind were made of "ideas" ..-if this were true-, if mind was a product of non-material "idea interactions" and thusly some idealist conception of the same better explained our mind......it wouldn't matter. That still does not tell us what the universe is made of even if we accept it as absolutely true without any argument /w regards to mind.
What am I supposed to make of this sort of response anyway? One minute science is good enough to claim whole-cloth for your position, the next it's uninformative. How does idealism explain the workings of the universe? Apparently, effectively (if not functionally) the same way science does. Them, for some odd reason.......that all breaks down at mind? You're awfully selective about when you find science to be compelling and when you don't.
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